Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:89627 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 46551 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2015 19:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Dec 2015 19:14:52 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ml@anderiasch.de; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ml@anderiasch.de; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain anderiasch.de designates 81.169.138.148 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ml@anderiasch.de X-Host-Fingerprint: 81.169.138.148 ares.art-core.org Received: from [81.169.138.148] ([81.169.138.148:37502] helo=ares.art-core.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 86/45-09187-626E1665 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 14:14:46 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.20] (p4FFB0D5D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.251.13.93]) by ares.art-core.org (mail.art-core.org) with ESMTPSA id 0330FCC401F6; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 20:14:42 +0100 (CET) To: internals@lists.php.net, Sebastian Bergmann References: <039701d12dce$c67982a0$536c87e0$@lool.fr> <56605D5E.5050001@php.net> <5660CB92.1030703@gmail.com> <56616B0D.1050000@php.net> <5661D315.2030409@anderiasch.de> <5661D506.2080301@php.net> X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <5661E61F.8010507@anderiasch.de> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 20:14:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5661D506.2080301@php.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay From: ml@anderiasch.de (Florian Anderiasch) On 04.12.2015 19:01, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > Am 04.12.2015 um 18:53 schrieb Florian Anderiasch: >> I hate to say it, but not providing an official Windows build is kind of >> sticking the finger to everyone using Windows for PHP (not the language) >> development. > > Sorry, but that does not explain the special treatment of Windows. > Red Hat provides official PHP binaries for RHEL and Fedora. Ubuntu > provides official PHP binaries for Ubuntu. etc. Why should Microsoft > not provide the official PHP binaries for Windows? I think we're looking at the same problem from different directions :) Many languages offer something for different platforms (see below), I wonder why for example http://php-osx.liip.ch/ is a dedicated project and no one (or did someone?) try to invite them (or are there better alternatives?) to be an official part of php.net? (The formal answer probably is "we only support the release tarball, as downloaded from php.net - but that's not because users don't matter, just to keep the reproducability of bugs consistent. And I think on Windows and OS X this could warrant having blessed builds for ease of use.) So to answer your question: We're treating Windows differently because it's badly needed. And neither RHEL nor Fedora or Ubuntu need that. Greetings, Florian 3 quick examples: python.org: https://www.python.org/downloads/ Looking for Python with a different OS? Python for Windows, Linux/UNIX, Mac OS X, Other rust-lang.org: https://www.rust-lang.org/downloads.html Downloads for 3 platforms ruby-lang.org: https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/installation/ For Windows, just a link to RubyInstaller