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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
From: anatol.php@belski.net ("Anatol Belski")

Hi Zeev,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zeev Suraski [mailto:zeev@zend.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 1:09 PM
> To: Anatol Belski <anatol.php@belski.net>
> Cc: Sebastian Bergmann <sebastian@php.net>; internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
>=20
> > My red wine is already cooling for two days, your preferential drink
> > for sure, too. The moment is big. But how human it wants ever to be,
> > it is hardly applicable to the the job of delivering a release, even
> > today. We should not let us to hype but do a solid delivery with
> > everything that belongs to it at the current time. Acting any other
> > way can get dangerous in the technical perspective and specifically
> > today it would be explicitly unfair to a part of the community. Both
> > things are bad. That's why I would prefer rather to keep the heads
> > cold and to follow the process that is proven to deliver successful
> > releases, then we can be sure others have a real reason to overhype.
>=20
> Anatol,
>=20
> I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with professionalism or coolness =
of wine
> nor heads, and to be perfectly honest, I'm not feeling very =
comfortable with the
> suggestion otherwise. Your choice, while completely valid, is not an =
ounce more
> professional or cool headed than the alternative.
>=20
> What leads me to think your choice is wrong are two things:
> 1.  The fact that generally speaking, binary builds are not supposed =
to be a
> blocker for a PHP release - which has always been about source (and =
should
> continue being about source).
> 2.  Taking into to account that we don't live in a world of machines, =
but humans.
> Staying cool headed is not equal as ignoring thoughts and feelings of =
users.
>=20
> As an extra bonus, the issue itself is hardly the material of which =
delays are
> supposed to be made.  The official builds of PHP for the versions =
that's likely to
> be used by anybody who might actually be vulnerable to these issues - =
5.6.16
> and 5.5.30 - contain this (non-critical) vulnerability and to the best =
of my
> knowledge we're not going to be updating them.  And if we are, what's =
blocking
> us from doing the same with 7.0.0?
>=20
> Either way, I'm not going to continue convincing you.  I'm not arguing =
it's your
> call.  I was important for me to make it clear that this is not about
> professionalism nor about temperature levels of any sorts.
>=20
What I just wanted to say by the temperature is that I'm as human as =
anyone else and hopefully allowed to hype not less than anyone else. =
However there are always people who celebrate and people who serve, =
those who serve have to keep the cold head. I'm serving, that's it. Hope =
this explains any possible mistaking on my words.

Regards

Anatol