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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:25:03 +0100
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To: Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
From: tyra3l@gmail.com (Ferenc Kovacs)

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On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:

> > My red wine is already cooling for two days, your preferential drink fo=
r
> > sure,
> > too. The moment is big. But how human it wants ever to be, it is hardly
> > applicable to the the job of delivering a release, even today. We shoul=
d
> > not
> > let us to hype but do a solid delivery with everything that belongs to =
it
> > at the
> > current time. Acting any other way can get dangerous in the technical
> > perspective and specifically today it would be explicitly unfair to a
> part
> > of
> > the community. Both things are bad. That's why I would prefer rather to
> > keep the heads cold and to follow the process that is proven to deliver
> > successful releases, then we can be sure others have a real reason to
> > overhype.
>
> Anatol,
>
> I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with professionalism or coolness of
> wine nor heads, and to be perfectly honest, I'm not feeling very
> comfortable
> with the suggestion otherwise. Your choice, while completely valid, is no=
t
> an ounce more professional or cool headed than the alternative.
>

let's just stop this here.
as already mentioned this is how we are doing the release process for
years, if you have a problem with that, you are free to make suggestions or
initiate discussion.
but what you guys are doing seems to be coercing the current RM to get your
way in the last minute.
Anatol mentioned the openssl depencency for the windows builds to the RMs
two days ago and even sent a headsup email to internals (this thread).
we didn't make a promise on the exact hour of the release and we aren't
late yet, I don't think that there is a need for "desperate" measures or
getting into personal attacks.
everything is going according to the plan.


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Ferenc Kov=C3=A1cs
@Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu

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