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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
From: anatol.php@belski.net ("Anatol Belski")

Hi Zeev,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zeev Suraski [mailto:zeev@zend.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:55 AM
> To: Anatol Belski <anatol.php@belski.net>
> Cc: Sebastian Bergmann <sebastian@php.net>; internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
>=20
>=20
> > On 3 =D7=91=D7=93=D7=A6=D7=9E=D7=B3 2015, at 10:09, Anatol Belski =
<anatol.php@belski.net> wrote:
> >
> > I would just ask for some patience, as mentioned before - today by =
UTC
> > the announcement is going out. It is still December 3rd as planned.
> > That's why I was sending the awareness about the late UTC afternoon =
today.
> >
>=20
> Anatol,
>=20
> We're not dealing with tax forms that have to make it in by midnight =
UTC but
> rather with humans.  Humans who are very excited and literally can't =
wait to
> celebrate the release of PHP - a lot more so as an event than =
necessarily
> downloading and installing it right away (if that's what they cared =
about they
> could do it already).
>=20
> Releasing it now would mean most of the world gets to actually =
celebrate it on
> Dec 3rd, instead of turning it into a frustrating waiting day.  I find =
it hard to
> imagine people having an issue with us saying the Windows binaries =
would be
> coming soon.  That's why all in all, I think it's a mistake not to =
push it out as early
> in the day as possible, in other words - now.
>=20
> I also think that in general we shouldn't wait with source releases =
for binary
> release - but specifically in this case, it's too minor a thing in my =
opinion to delay
> a historical release like that of PHP 7.0.0.
>=20
> My 2c.
>=20
My red wine is already cooling for two days, your preferential drink for =
sure, too. The moment is big. But how human it wants ever to be, it is =
hardly applicable to the the job of delivering a release, even today. We =
should not let us to hype but do a solid delivery with everything that =
belongs to it at the current time. Acting any other way can get =
dangerous in the technical perspective and specifically today it would =
be explicitly unfair to a part of the community. Both things are bad. =
That's why I would prefer rather to keep the heads cold and to follow =
the process that is proven to deliver successful releases, then we can =
be sure others have a real reason to overhype.

Regards

Anatol