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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
From: anatol.php@belski.net ("Anatol Belski")

Hi Sebastian,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sebastian Bergmann [mailto:sebastian@php.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 6:51 AM
> To: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
> 
> Am 02.12.2015 um 09:42 schrieb Anatol Belski:
> >> Do the Windows builds have to be available immediately when the
> >> sources of PHP 7.0.0 are released?
> > Yes.
> 
>  http://git.php.net/?p=php-src.git;a=blob;f=README.RELEASE_PROCESS
>  currently reads
> 
>    "Ensure that Windows builds will work before packaging"
> 
>  in the "General notes and tips" section and then later in the  "Rolling a
stable
> release" section
> 
>    "Once the release has been tagged, contact the PHP Windows
>    development team (internals-win@lists.php.net) so that Windows
>    binaries can be created."
> 
>  I do not think that this means that the release of the source  tarball
must wait
> for the availability of the Windows binaries.
>  In fact, step 2g of "Getting the stable release announced" explains  what
to do
> when the Windows binaries are not available at the time  of release.
> 
>  Please do not get me wrong: I appreciate what Microsoft in general  and
you,
> Anatol, as well as Pierre in particular have done for PHP.
>  But no vendor -- neither Microsoft nor Red Hat nor whoever else  rolls
binary
> distributions of PHP -- should have the power to delay  a release in my
opinion.
> 
Thanks for your notes.

I lean on the current practice, which is indeed continues already for some
years, that we deliver the whole set of packages prior the release
announcement. The RELEASE_PROCESS document is unfortunately not 100% in sync
with everything. But indeed I cannot remember a case where a release were
done without the care about the eco system. Particularly Windows packages
are being linked directly from the release announcement for a while. Users
know that and depend explicitly on us telling - release ready, you can use
it. Lucky RedHat users have Remi's repo then :)

At the end of the day, the release is made for the users. Most of users
won't even think about building from sources. It would sound really weird to
send a release which is unavailable to big mass of them today, even for a
release with less importance. And especially with the 7.0.0 matter, where
people was telling they'll even take it right at the day zero. But even if
not - doing so would move some of users into the second class suddenly,
quite rightless.  

I would just ask for some patience, as mentioned before - today by UTC the
announcement is going out. It is still December 3rd as planned. That's why I
was sending the awareness about the late UTC afternoon today. 

Thanks

Anatol