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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:58:50 +0000
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Native Annotation Syntax
From: t.carnage@gmail.com (Chris Riley)

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On 26 November 2015 at 16:05, guilhermeblanco@gmail.com <
guilhermeblanco@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok then. I'll pretend that lack of interest didn't happen many other
> situations (like http://marc.info/?t=144608767800001) and move on.
>
> I don't want to bring the patch up to date/simplify it without a clear
> decision of at least be willing to discuss the patch and not reject by all
> means.
> I'd propose a voting as "Are you ready for Annotations yet?". Every core
> developer understands (and can base their decisions) by looking at the
> complexity of the old patch.
>
> Once voting completes and IF it gets approved, I'll gladly put it up to
> date for consideration and update the RFC.
>
> []s,
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Rowan Collins <rowan.collins@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > guilhermeblanco@gmail.com wrote on 26/11/2015 15:14:
> >
> >> I haven't seen any user asking for traits
> >>
> >
> > Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
> >
> > I just did a very quick search on Google for php + mixins, limited to
> 2007
> > or earlier (long before the current Trait implementation was born), and
> got
> > plenty of results lamenting the lack of support for horizontal reuse in
> PHP.
> >
> > See for yourself:
> >
> https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=php+%22horizontal+reuse%22&safe=active&hl=en&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A%2Ccd_max%3A12%2F31%2F2007&tbm=#safe=active&hl=en&tbs=cdr:1%2Ccd_max:12%2F31%2F2007&q=php+mixins
> >
> > It's a common accusation of projects like this that time was spent on X
> > that should have been spent on Y, but that's nearly always a massive
> > over-simplification.
> >
> > Let's not spend too much time worrying if specific people are interested
> -
> > they may just be on holiday, or busy elsewhere, or just not have much to
> > say until someone assembles a few more details about the proposed
> feature.
> > Keep it constructive, lay out how you think the feature should look and
> > why, what questions are still open, and see what's needed to move it
> > forward.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
> > Rowan Collins
> > [IMSoP]
> >
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> Guilherme Blanco
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>

Given that a lot of userland people have voting rights; I would suspect
that an annotations rfc would pass, provided it met the needs of these
users. As far as docblocks vs native goes - you've convinced me that native
would be best, previously I'd have been more in favour of adding a
getAnnotations method to ReflectionClass/Method/Property, to pull in
annotations from docblocks.

I'd like to see this goto a new RFC here are some questions though:

- Can annotations be applied to functions?
- Class constants?
- Should annotations be a special type eg annotation Foo{} or just a class?
- Do we want to add decorator support at the same time? (
http://thecodeship.com/patterns/guide-to-python-function-decorators/)

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