Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:89372 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 90089 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2015 12:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Nov 2015 12:33:57 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=xinchen.h@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=laruence@php.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 209.85.213.41 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: xinchen.h@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.213.41 mail-vk0-f41.google.com Received: from [209.85.213.41] ([209.85.213.41:35011] helo=mail-vk0-f41.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E6/84-57156-13954565 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2015 07:33:54 -0500 Received: by vkha189 with SMTP id a189so10081714vkh.2 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2015 04:33:51 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=BIWwZManorfMw8ydY8v4wQ8sMg6XMsDaqjOavTv4Qts=; b=WQjwRJgVnKWmaF/FbgIXkq4bRR1CzPbIKZRFRlIYP25eBecLwrOuf3kaqj8vH28iTD nwTlMpuh94Zs3i5OnvUjJvocUxbLIFMSMDppcJVSb8ywkr7+G3lOKyWbdQK/G2LpTjoI 836isvetQgzOfCdC+n2tQn9H2zVb5XWVMb15VONruV95FgNyfH8WbWZwMAJDXEC3LHUl XRPIsMdNh+4l+ZNHrjyLsTcCGgIeoZ6QUWfKzVOohZbXfc+0sXEIM11x4WTQNM7rC83v z8N4t0aIebGGf19TOC9uNvDWFVjuHfrt6ZxEpBIOn/fhf5MKWCIgt2nCiyMb0N20wg/n ccdg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn048wVMtW6NdQ+qn2YD5Oliue/Lb8FOyEjDMYOKoOCfFOpNk/SXRMZpgwQbHB2+JQvk0BAoTiE1n/4CXN/TwqaXc5GgkAeoEHLyqz5teslIU67p3Mwa0/CixrEbKY+a2rNkNhIxsangSjahHV/hqxmzww84fjjrYAQsrAoZztlOfVj8h8= X-Received: by 10.31.172.84 with SMTP id v81mr26214308vke.54.1448368431142; Tue, 24 Nov 2015 04:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vk0-f42.google.com (mail-vk0-f42.google.com. [209.85.213.42]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g68sm14585187vki.22.2015.11.24.04.33.50 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 24 Nov 2015 04:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by vkha189 with SMTP id a189so10081409vkh.2 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2015 04:33:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.31.180.87 with SMTP id d84mr24120446vkf.83.1448368430197; Tue, 24 Nov 2015 04:33:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.31.229.7 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Nov 2015 04:33:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 20:33:30 +0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Leigh Cc: Anatol Belski , "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11438996c9344a0525488d5b Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 7.0.0 release From: laruence@php.net (Xinchen Hui) --001a11438996c9344a0525488d5b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hey: On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Leigh wrote: > On 23 November 2015 at 21:10, Anatol Belski wrote: > > > a) release on 26th including all known bug fixes > > b) do RC8, assume there are no bugs, so target 10th for RTM > > c) do RC8, release on 3rd, expect there are no bugs come in > > d) continue issuing release candidates till it's stable enough (needs > > definition of stable and probably an RFC) > > > > I would really ask to reach a consent on either a) or c). IMO, the > options > > b) and d) are the direct road to curbing 7.0.0. There is no hurry to > > release just to release, but it is definitely harmful to slow down the > rise. > > > > Thanks > > > > Anatol > > > > I prefer a over c. > > As you said, we can deliver a stable and high quality 7.0.0 today. An RC > period where you expect no bugs does not sound productive to me. > > We all know the "real testing" doesn't begin until it's released, and the > best way to find what is left (things we have not found in over a year of > development and testing), is to get more people looking at it. > > Delaying the release is actually delaying the discovery of bugs that affect > real world applications that we do not have access to, and cannot test > with. Many teams will not even start testing with 7 until it gets an > official release. > I agree. I also go for a) thanks > > If something is found, it doesn't make the release any less high quality. > Any bugs that would be found between now and the 3rd will still be found > (and probably more), and they will still be fixed. The only difference > would be a 0.0.1 version number. > > /2c > -- Xinchen Hui @Laruence http://www.laruence.com/ --001a11438996c9344a0525488d5b--