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To: Rasmus Lerdorf <rasmus@lerdorf.com>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] INDRECT in arrays causes count() to become unpredictable
From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski)

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> On 23 =D7=91=D7=A0=D7=95=D7=91=D7=B3 2015, at 10:08, Rasmus Lerdorf <rasmu=
s@lerdorf.com> wrote:
>=20
>> On 11/23/2015 09:49 AM, Phil Sturgeon wrote:
>> The "There will always be bugs" argument is a strawman, nobody is
>> saying wait until it's perfect.
>>=20
>> People in this thread are consistently conflating "there will always
>> be bugs" with "lets just ignore this bug which is 'around critical'
>> and crack on because yolo."
>=20
> You seem to be confused Phil. Nobody is arguing that this bug shouldn't
> be fixed. The question is all about how severe it is and whether it
> should trigger another release candidate.
>=20
Exactly.  And those of you who read Xinchen's analysis of the bug should kno=
w that this is not a critical bug, and IMHO, not borderline critical either,=
 especially considering it only affects symbol tables - not arrays.

If every bug of that (relatively small) magnitude delays the release - and p=
revents the code base from being tested en masse - we'd effectively be putti=
ng ourselves into an endless - or at least a very long loop, given the very l=
imited number of people currently evaluating 7.0.  As soon as it does get re=
leased - we'd have orders of magnitude more people testing it than we have n=
ow, speeding up the process (of finding bugs) tremendously.

Regarding whether people do and/or should expect 7.0.0 to be production qual=
ity -- or whether that's realistic that people would move production workloa=
ds to 7.0.0 before 7.0.1 or even 7.0.2 is out - we (as in internals@) can ag=
ree to disagree.

Zeev=

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