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To: David Zuelke <dz@heroku.com>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7 RTM date
From: andi@zend.com (Andi Gutmans)

> On Nov 10, 2015, at 8:53 AM, David Zuelke <dz@heroku.com> wrote:
>=20
> Sure: http://phpversions.info/paas-hosting/
>=20
> The default PHP version in the absence of any explicit declaration on =
Heroku will remain 5.6.latest for a while, but if you have a =
composer.json with a bunch of requirements for package "php" like =
">=3D5.3.3", and not a single one with an upper bound, then on the day =
we make PHP 7.0.0 available, your next deploy will get PHP 7, because =
your composer.json says that's fine (unless you also require extensions =
that are not PHP 7 ready; it all gets resolved correctly).
>=20
> Of course, I'll roll out a warning soon to remind users of this, but =
many will miss it because they tend to never read what's on their =
screens, so the more stable 7.0.0 is, the better!
>=20
> You'd be surprised how many of our users have composer.json templates =
from weirdo frameworks with "minimum-stability": "dev", and they don't =
even notice that they're getting PHP 7 RCs because of that.

Of course I don=92t have any influence in what Heroku does but I would =
recommend not to deploy 7.0.0 on release day.

Actually part of the value we provide our customers with Zend Server is =
to deliver hardened, tested versions which is why we tend to wait a bit =
before we deliver the latest and greatest versions. Our customers depend =
on us delivering a version they can absolutely count on.
We=92ve had PHP releases in the past which have been lemons and thanks =
to our waiting policy we saved our customers major outages. I agree with =
Rasmus that a .0.0 release will have a higher risk of having issues once =
the masses test their applications with it. The reality is that many =
people don=92t bother testing their apps with RCs and wait for a GA =
version is out.

So while I understand Heroku likes to be ahead of the curve my friendly =
recommendation would be not to make it available too quickly. Give it at =
least a couple of weeks to ensure nothing major blows up=85=20

Andi=