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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:37:49 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7 RTM date
From: robin@kingsquare.nl ("Kingsquare.nl - Robin Speekenbrink")

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2015-11-10 10:26 GMT+01:00 Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk>:

> On 10/11/15 00:49, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> >> November 30 is Cyber Monday, where people are either
> >> >
> >> > a) focused on maxing out their credit cards on every possible
> e-commerce site, or
> >> > b) unable to roll out PHP 7 because their customers are busy with a)
> >> >
> >> > At least at Heroku we have a blackout policy around Thanksgiving and
> Christmas for platform changes, and I'd imagine other hosting platforms do
> as well.
> >> >
> >> > So maybe either Tuesday, or even better, Thursday, since that's
> release day anyway.
> > Let's be realistic. This is not a critical security fix for production
> > servers. This is a .0.0 release. For developers this marks the point
> > where they need to start making upgrade plans if they haven't already. I
> > realize for Heroku and the few similar cloud computing services out
> > there it might be slightly different in that you want to be quick to
> > provide the first golden PHP 7 to your customers.
> >
> > My only concern with the timing is whether we are adding undue
> > inconvenience to our RM team and all the other folks on our side that
> > are affected by a release.
>
> Anybody moving their current stable infrastructure to PHP7 without fully
> testing deserves everything they get? PHP7 should be 'rolled out' as a
> secondary option for savy users who understand the implications since
> the code base WILL need to be reworked before it becomes a stable
> replacement for the current PhP5.x infrastructure. Actually a cloud
> service getting something out as a taster for PHP7 before the holiday
> could only be helpful since it would give more eyes on real world
> migration problems in much the same way that PHP5 roll-out was probably
> helped by RC's being available on some hosting services back then. ARE
> any cloud services providing that facility today with PHP7 RC's?
>
>
Lester,

With the advent of a wider variety of (container based) hosting solutions
(i.e. Heroku (https://devcenter.heroku.com/changelog-items/679) and
dokku-esque providers) and i.e. Docker providing the latest RC's via
'official' images (https://hub.docker.com/_/php) And ofcourse the vagrant
boxprovided by Rasmus (https://github.com/rlerdorf/php7dev) have allowed a
far easier upgrade path for developers trying out new stuff. This is a
vastly different landscape than back when PHP5 came to be. (or even 5.3 for
that matter) I as an app developer (and thus PHP user) now have _alot_ more
options to try out different versions of PHP (even RC's) with faw lower
barrier of entry.

Kudo's to the PHP development team / RM's for bringing this delay up before
hand and not silently postponing the release. As a developer watching /
lurking on this list, it's great to see descisions made in such open manner!

Looking forward to 7!

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Robin Speekenbrink

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