Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:89141 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 23576 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2015 09:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Nov 2015 09:26:22 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 217.147.176.204 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 217.147.176.204 mail4.serversure.net Linux 2.6 Received: from [217.147.176.204] ([217.147.176.204:55786] helo=mail4.serversure.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 81/20-21426-C38B1465 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 04:26:21 -0500 Received: (qmail 26767 invoked by uid 89); 10 Nov 2015 09:26:13 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.3.1 ppid: 26761, pid: 26764, t: 0.0883s scanners: attach: 1.3.1 clamav: 0.96/m:52/d:10677 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.7?) (lester@rainbowdigitalmedia.org.uk@81.138.11.136) by mail4.serversure.net with ESMTPA; 10 Nov 2015 09:26:13 -0000 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <01a501d11a59$d1cba210$7562e630$@belski.net> <563FA66B.1090305@gmail.com> <01fd01d11a8c$3a59c3c0$af0d4b40$@belski.net> <563FF86C.2060007@lerdorf.com> <7FCBAA90-7D7C-49A5-B8A2-B8662EB6AB50@zend.com> <56413F24.7010200@lerdorf.com> Message-ID: <5641B835.3060005@lsces.co.uk> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:26:13 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56413F24.7010200@lerdorf.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7 RTM date From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) On 10/11/15 00:49, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: >> November 30 is Cyber Monday, where people are either >> > >> > a) focused on maxing out their credit cards on every possible e-commerce site, or >> > b) unable to roll out PHP 7 because their customers are busy with a) >> > >> > At least at Heroku we have a blackout policy around Thanksgiving and Christmas for platform changes, and I'd imagine other hosting platforms do as well. >> > >> > So maybe either Tuesday, or even better, Thursday, since that's release day anyway. > Let's be realistic. This is not a critical security fix for production > servers. This is a .0.0 release. For developers this marks the point > where they need to start making upgrade plans if they haven't already. I > realize for Heroku and the few similar cloud computing services out > there it might be slightly different in that you want to be quick to > provide the first golden PHP 7 to your customers. > > My only concern with the timing is whether we are adding undue > inconvenience to our RM team and all the other folks on our side that > are affected by a release. Anybody moving their current stable infrastructure to PHP7 without fully testing deserves everything they get? PHP7 should be 'rolled out' as a secondary option for savy users who understand the implications since the code base WILL need to be reworked before it becomes a stable replacement for the current PhP5.x infrastructure. Actually a cloud service getting something out as a taster for PHP7 before the holiday could only be helpful since it would give more eyes on real world migration problems in much the same way that PHP5 roll-out was probably helped by RC's being available on some hosting services back then. ARE any cloud services providing that facility today with PHP7 RC's? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk