Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:89135 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 91520 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2015 00:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Nov 2015 00:42:00 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.44 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.44 mail-pa0-f44.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.44] ([209.85.220.44:33376] helo=mail-pa0-f44.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 11/9A-13667-55D31465 for ; Mon, 09 Nov 2015 19:41:59 -0500 Received: by pabfh17 with SMTP id fh17so215711958pab.0 for ; Mon, 09 Nov 2015 16:41:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=d/cxJ8LRRuJMTTl9eRoLGBvfZwfVI2YE/jSsfLoiz10=; b=i7kmpCgJ+6tNel5C2CepfMtr6rM4bliyd/wLWbXNQIY8BB0Wo1NV5773ZWyMNG2DN3 HzucBREZ9TMN2F6PbB+Cd4evHXVDq/rXyEhEI3Y/jo7iafYmab+xtWFrxU5hZAKIrG41 OfeaGxLW+4e97NFIWsC71cve9mGAnU92+5ARJf7IwWOTTwdbwLoAzz3et1Sp8W9F5lk0 CJxLm5C76FxhRJCwRYQfyMf9Os6cf3ONmB3xuCP6UsNhK5+1de8SNbQku0lEbw4Fp6U5 aB+PFtFj2+/r4OGbkWVDgWtIX+XtpeYpB2vMaTf8qq9IuuGSdIY9BtlDxg3cOQTehHXh qXKQ== X-Received: by 10.66.181.234 with SMTP id dz10mr1235901pac.51.1447116115115; Mon, 09 Nov 2015 16:41:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from Stas-Air.local (108-66-6-48.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net. [108.66.6.48]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id rm10sm444607pbc.96.2015.11.09.16.41.53 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Nov 2015 16:41:53 -0800 (PST) To: David Zuelke , Andi Gutmans References: <01a501d11a59$d1cba210$7562e630$@belski.net> <563FA66B.1090305@gmail.com> <01fd01d11a8c$3a59c3c0$af0d4b40$@belski.net> <563FF86C.2060007@lerdorf.com> <7FCBAA90-7D7C-49A5-B8A2-B8662EB6AB50@zend.com> Cc: Rasmus Lerdorf , Anatol Belski , internals@lists.php.net, Kalle Sommer Nielsen , Ferenc Kovacs X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56413D50.4010808@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 16:41:52 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7 RTM date From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > November 30 is Cyber Monday, where people are either > > a) focused on maxing out their credit cards on every possible > e-commerce site, or b) unable to roll out PHP 7 because their > customers are busy with a) > > At least at Heroku we have a blackout policy around Thanksgiving and > Christmas for platform changes, and I'd imagine other hosting > platforms do as well. > > So maybe either Tuesday, or even better, Thursday, since that's > release day anyway. I don't think anybody would be deploying PHP 7 in production right after the release. Moreover, I don't think anybody would be (or should be, for that matter) deploying anything important into production pretty much starting late November and until January, for the reasons described above and also because too many people would either be gone or filling in for people that are gone and don't want to stir any trouble. So I think what matters is not the operational part but just announcing it and making people aware of it (i.e. would they read the announcement or would they have it buried in the post-holiday "omg, I've got 9000 emails while I was out" pile. From that point, I agree that Nov 26 release is less optimal. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com