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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 10:12:47 -0400
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Some words about the basic ideas of PHP
From: guilhermeblanco@gmail.com ("guilhermeblanco@gmail.com")

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Finally someone understood precisely what PHP needs to evolve as a language
for the next 35 years! #not

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Joe Watkins <pthreads@pthreads.org> wrote:

> This brightened up my Monday morning.
>
> Cheers
> Joe
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Michael Kliewe <info@phpgangsta.de>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Frank,
> >
> > On 26.10.2015 11:09, Frank Meier wrote:
> > > Hi to all of you,
> > >
> > > first I want to apologize for may bad English,
> > >
> > No problem, it's good enough to understand you.
> > > I write because I feel that that the way how you see your own product
> PHP
> > > is totally wrong. I do not mean with it that the construction of the
> > > language is wrong.
> > >
> > > Your basic aproach is wrong.
> > >
> > > PHP is a server side programming language. That means that the most
> work
> > > what PHP have to do is to be the boss of the data servers and handle
> the
> > > data.
> > >
> > > Create database or tables  or records,  edit,  delete and read and
> write
> > > them.
> > Which database do you mean? MySQL, MSSQL, CouchDB, Redis....
> > > And where is your fantastic programming language so incredible lousy
> that
> > > me, I am since 35 years a database programmer, just shake my head???
> > >
> > > Exact in this operations!!!
> > >
> > > I know that it is for free and I can not tell you how much I value your
> > > work on it, but  all of you, WAKE UP!!!!
> > >
> > > You sent the handling of records from modern handling via recordsets
> back
> > > to computer stone age. It is a  torture to use PHP without tools (and
> > they
> > > are lousy too) for database operations.
> > >
> > >
> > > I can give you a example:
> > >
> > > It is in PHP a lot of work to just read the next record in a table.
> > >
> > > With ADO is it just nextrecord().
> > With PDO it's
> > $result = $sth->fetch();
> >
> > http://php.net/manual/de/pdostatement.fetch.php
> >
> > I don't see that much of a difference... And PDO is built-in.
> > > The PHP  way is a insult to the modern world of programming.
> > >
> > > Maybe you should consider to write internal  functions for the record
> > > handling which do take all the sql waste of time away  from the
> > programmer
> > > and create just short command words that the developer can use them.
> > >
> > > This would be a "small step  for you but a  huge leap for mankind!".
> > >
> > > And you would finally win the race  in the language battle.
> > >
> > > I am sorry that I write it so harsh, but PHP is for me the definition
> of
> > > server data handling and exact there you fail in a big way.
> > >
> > > All the programmers around the world reinvent every time the wheel new?
> > >
> > > Have this really to be?
> > >
> > > In my opinion should exist  commands like:
> > > recordnew(table)
> > > recordread(id, table)
> > > recordwrite(id, table)
> > > recorddelete(id, table)
> > > recordprev(currentrecord, table)
> > > recordnext(currentrecord, table)
> > >
> > > This is the minimum what I expect from a program language in the year
> > 2015.
> > Maybe you should have a look at PDO:
> > http://php.net/manual/de/book.pdo.php
> >
> > Or other database abstraction layers out there, there are plenty. Search
> > at packagist.org for example.
> > Just to name a few that I heard of, but don't use myself: Doctrine,
> > Propel, RedBeanPHP
> > > I am database programmer  for international police organizations.
> > >
> > > Please keep my name confident.
> > >
> > You are writing to a public mailing list, what do you expect?
> >
> > Michael
> >
>



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