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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Some words about the basic ideas of PHP
From: info@phpgangsta.de (Michael Kliewe)

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Hi Frank,

On 26.10.2015 11:09, Frank Meier wrote:
> Hi to all of you,
>
> first I want to apologize for may bad English,
>
No problem, it's good enough to understand you.
> I write because I feel that that the way how you see your own product PHP
> is totally wrong. I do not mean with it that the construction of the
> language is wrong.
>
> Your basic aproach is wrong.
>
> PHP is a server side programming language. That means that the most work
> what PHP have to do is to be the boss of the data servers and handle the
> data.
>
> Create database or tables  or records,  edit,  delete and read and write
> them.
Which database do you mean? MySQL, MSSQL, CouchDB, Redis....
> And where is your fantastic programming language so incredible lousy that
> me, I am since 35 years a database programmer, just shake my head???
>
> Exact in this operations!!!
>
> I know that it is for free and I can not tell you how much I value your
> work on it, but  all of you, WAKE UP!!!!
>
> You sent the handling of records from modern handling via recordsets back
> to computer stone age. It is a  torture to use PHP without tools (and they
> are lousy too) for database operations.
>
>
> I can give you a example:
>
> It is in PHP a lot of work to just read the next record in a table.
>
> With ADO is it just nextrecord().
With PDO it's
$result = $sth->fetch();

http://php.net/manual/de/pdostatement.fetch.php

I don't see that much of a difference... And PDO is built-in.
> The PHP  way is a insult to the modern world of programming.
>
> Maybe you should consider to write internal  functions for the record
> handling which do take all the sql waste of time away  from the programmer
> and create just short command words that the developer can use them.
>
> This would be a "small step  for you but a  huge leap for mankind!".
>
> And you would finally win the race  in the language battle.
>
> I am sorry that I write it so harsh, but PHP is for me the definition of
> server data handling and exact there you fail in a big way.
>
> All the programmers around the world reinvent every time the wheel new?
>
> Have this really to be?
>
> In my opinion should exist  commands like:
> recordnew(table)
> recordread(id, table)
> recordwrite(id, table)
> recorddelete(id, table)
> recordprev(currentrecord, table)
> recordnext(currentrecord, table)
>
> This is the minimum what I expect from a program language in the year 2015.
Maybe you should have a look at PDO:
http://php.net/manual/de/book.pdo.php

Or other database abstraction layers out there, there are plenty. Search
at packagist.org for example.
Just to name a few that I heard of, but don't use myself: Doctrine,
Propel, RedBeanPHP
> I am database programmer  for international police organizations.
>
> Please keep my name confident.
>
You are writing to a public mailing list, what do you expect?

Michael

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