Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:88338 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 79026 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2015 16:02:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Sep 2015 16:02:17 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.212.174 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.212.174 mail-wi0-f174.google.com Received: from [209.85.212.174] ([209.85.212.174:35716] helo=mail-wi0-f174.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E7/A3-60254-8853CF55 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:02:17 -0400 Received: by wicge5 with SMTP id ge5so38963154wic.0 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:02:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/LOrEFAz5O1Qho90W2OBxbnToQ7f2lgBnu3fIKPXImY=; b=uX3/TegPp+JDl0IZ3Klg2Ntv68btSybmMnOsDoRHfBQbTgStjqfEo5fvK98oihqUAJ w/VwZMDTHKHSCcNX+rMBFdCft7Mc3EDyIvqHBJ/asEHqryw1GlFjUIwPgLAU5iRIbUrE PGMa3cNPu0T/GHRkdoZpmjqmx+UTmLIdMe0ZWmL3KHWoni3deMtmIRNlb2CU65Lso+Ht BFgTi9hfbCzwrhgtPPN2nkic0fekfxcP6sDXdzAhz/LtrYiKOC5ele3bOWRv1abEhrSV 9DeRdNHWXLmlOhnZi1s8egv0vrMkk4gkCPmki1NqjXqUzznPdOomBmxGK2B1PUg4Lbaf lwAw== X-Received: by 10.194.202.137 with SMTP id ki9mr8008214wjc.16.1442592133695; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.127] ([62.189.198.114]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r6sm10225822wib.11.2015.09.18.09.02.12 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:02:13 -0700 (PDT) To: internals@lists.php.net References: <0BEF6D82-CB5F-49F6-A3A4-3267924A0CDA@thesba.com> <55F72CA9.2060301@gmail.com> <09369945-76FE-4E08-9C2C-15FB0577AD27@thesba.com> <55F752E7.9070801@gmail.com> <55F9B4C7.3050700@gmail.com> <440C64A2-4B4F-4AEF-ACE3-F3A6637EBAB6@thesba.com> <55F9D704.5050002@lsces.co.uk> <55F9EFA2.9020908@lsces.co.uk> <0022A1D9-DC37-4F49-B58E-FBED5AF872BA@gmail.com> <55F9FAB3.2050100@lsces.co.uk> <55FB19CB.7080707@gmail.com> <55FB3117.5040204@lsces.co.uk> <55FB3A60.1040601@gmail.com> <55FB4270.7000204@lsces.co.uk> <55FB4969.7080600@gmail.com> <55FB5BA6.6050606@lsces.co.uk> <55FBF265.5000502@gmail.com> <55FBF7B7.4050603@lsces.co.uk> <55FC1A77.7090406@gmail.com> <55FC221A.7020108@lsces.co.uk> <55FC2588.6030809@gmail.com> <55FC2B17.3070909@lsces.co.uk> <55FC2F2F.9060403@gmail.com> <55FC33F1.3090903@lsces.co.uk> Message-ID: <55FC354B.5070209@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 17:01:15 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55FC33F1.3090903@lsces.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.1 - Address PHPSadness #28? From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) Lester Caine wrote on 18/09/2015 16:55: > On 18/09/15 16:35, Rowan Collins wrote: >> If what you want to write is "if ( ! exists($foo) || is_null($foo) ) { >> ... }" then that is exactly what "if ( isset($foo) )" will give you, >> without any notices whatsoever. > NO what I want is > > if ( exists($foo) ) { > is_null($foo) { build uninitialised field } > else { build initialise with ($foo) } > } Right, so stop talking about Notices. Ignoring Notices does not get you any closer to that goal. And stop lecturing me about Nulls. The is_null($foo) part of that is the part that already works fine.