Newsgroups: php.internals,php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:87627 php.internals:87628 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 98926 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2015 20:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Aug 2015 20:00:15 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=andreas@heigl.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=andreas@heigl.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain heigl.org from 195.191.240.18 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: andreas@heigl.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 195.191.240.18 hos109.unaxus.net Received: from [195.191.240.18] ([195.191.240.18:44109] helo=hos109.unaxus.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 33/A3-11835-CC911C55 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 16:00:13 -0400 Received: from tmo-103-137.customers.d1-online.com ([80.187.103.137]:10814 helo=[10.133.52.84]) by hos109.unaxus.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMiNA-004Mfo-SV; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 21:59:45 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (12H143) In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 21:58:03 +0200 Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <55C0F657.9060307@anderiasch.de> To: Stephen Coakley X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hos109.unaxus.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - heigl.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: hos109.unaxus.net: authenticated_id: a.heigl+heigl.org/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium From: andreas@heigl.org (Andreas Heigl) > Am 04.08.2015 um 19:47 schrieb Stephen Coakley : >=20 >> [...] >=20 > My thought is that no, a number of people don't know what a mailing list i= s (obviously no one in here already), but everyone knows what a forum is. Th= e web is everywhere and is taking over the world, whereas mailing lists are n= ot. I'm not saying we should jump on the bandwagon, but that a forum (or oth= er web-based system) has a "lower barrier" because people already understand= that barrier. You are right though, it makes no difference to someone who u= nderstands neither mailing lists nor forums. >=20 > My only real beef with the current system is this: >=20 > - Don't mind tons of email -> mailing list > - Do mind tons of email -> really old news server >=20 > Not a problem for those who don't mind tons of email, but if you do, you n= eed to get a client for a really old protocol. Can we please stop this nonsense abot protocol age? I mean HTTP is not much y= ounger than NNTP (1986 to 1989) and the latest RFC for NNTP is from 2009 so n= ot really that old.=20 In my eyes this whole discussion about "lowering the entry barrier" is in th= e end a discussion about "let's bring it all to HTTP". The internet is so mu= ch more than HTTP. And the internet is so much more than an implementation o= f that protocol by any service provider be it google or yahoo or whatnot. Cheers Andreas --=20 Andreas Heigl andreas@heigl.org