Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:87622 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 86229 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2015 17:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Aug 2015 17:47:37 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 68.118.157.39 68-118-157-39.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com Received: from [68.118.157.39] ([68.118.157.39:11581] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id CE/B1-11835-8BAF0C55 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 13:47:36 -0400 Message-ID: To: internals@lists.php.net Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 12:47:32 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <55C0F657.9060307@anderiasch.de> In-Reply-To: <55C0F657.9060307@anderiasch.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-By: 68.118.157.39 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Move internals discussion to a better medium From: me@stephencoakley.com (Stephen Coakley) On 08/04/2015 12:28 PM, Florian Anderiasch wrote: > On 08/03/2015 12:22 AM, Stephen Coakley wrote: > >> Personally, I'd like to see the mailing list move to a forum-type >> system. Lower barrier of entry, more visible archives, and more modern >> medium that supports other kinds of attachments and whatnot. >> > > I don't buy the "lower barrier of entry" argument. > > Forum: > - Sign up via web form > - Get authentication email > - click on it, be logged in or not > - post > > List: > - Sign up via web form > - Get authentication mail > - reply > - post > > Someone iirc said you can even reply without signing up, so it might be > even lower. Unless you're saying people don't know what a mailing list > is or how it works - then ok. The same could be said for any type of > web-based infrastructure. > > My actual main gripe with forums is that you can't skim it as easily (if > you're not reading every thread) because everything is split up into > subforums and paginated and whatnot. Or would "internals" be one subforum? > > ~Florian > My thought is that no, a number of people don't know what a mailing list is (obviously no one in here already), but everyone knows what a forum is. The web is everywhere and is taking over the world, whereas mailing lists are not. I'm not saying we should jump on the bandwagon, but that a forum (or other web-based system) has a "lower barrier" because people already understand that barrier. You are right though, it makes no difference to someone who understands neither mailing lists nor forums. My only real beef with the current system is this: - Don't mind tons of email -> mailing list - Do mind tons of email -> really old news server Not a problem for those who don't mind tons of email, but if you do, you need to get a client for a really old protocol. -- Stephen Coakley