Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:87620 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 82869 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2015 17:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Aug 2015 17:35:05 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 68.118.157.39 68-118-157-39.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com Received: from [68.118.157.39] ([68.118.157.39:23575] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 2A/01-11835-7C7F0C55 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 13:35:04 -0400 Message-ID: <2A.01.11835.7C7F0C55@pb1.pair.com> To: internals@lists.php.net Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 12:30:40 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <41.B2.09373.B881EB55@pb1.pair.com> <1438641454.18995.10.camel@kuechenschabe> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Posted-By: 68.118.157.39 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Move internals discussion to a better medium From: me@stephencoakley.com (Stephen Coakley) On 08/04/2015 11:36 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Terry Cullen wrote: > >> On Tuesday, 4 August 2015, Johannes Schlüter >> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 2015-08-02 at 17:15 -0500, Stephen Coakley wrote: >>>> You have to admit, NNTP news is an aging technology, with fewer and >>>> fewer readers available as time goes on. Nowadays (for graphical >>>> clients), there's Pan, and Thunderbird, and...? I use Thunderbird at >> the >>>> moment, because I didn't want to fill up my email, and there aren't too >>>> many readers. Heck, Thunderbird is technically a "discontinued" >> product. >>> >>> ... and with a forum there is only a single client. The forum >>> itself. ;-) >>> >>> SCNR, >>> johannes >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List >>> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >>> >>> >> Redmine would be a good option. http://www.redmine.org/ >> >> The feature list has most everything covered in this thread. >> http://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/Features >> >> >> >> -- >> > > > hi, > > maybe it just me, but it seems to me, that every time this idea is brought > up, not many people from the actual participants of the list speak up, but > bunch of people who never before sent a mail to the list will chip in. > I'm not saying that there is nothing to improve, but I think that it would > be important to actually incorporate some feedback from the people actually > generating the content on the list. What can we do to ask feedback on the issue from those people? I really want to hear what they think too. > personally I would prefer moving to something like google groups and doing > in a way that we can preserve archives ( > https://github.com/wojdyr/fityk/wiki/MigrationToGoogleGroups) > that would allow us to actually kill our ancient list/ezmlm infrastructure > along with news.php.net which would be a huge win. > it would also make it much more easier to search/link to our mailing lists > archives: > news.php.net has no way of searching, news://news.php.net is pretty slow, > we have a couple of mail archives like > https://www.mail-archive.com/internals@lists.php.net/ which are indexing > some of our mailing lists, but they don't have the archives from the > beginings, but I remember seeing a mail from them to ask for our archives > in an mbox and they then would be able to add the missing indexes. > moving to google groups would also make it much easier to manage the groups > (there are less people familiar with ezmlm administration than people with > google groups experience) and make it easier to reply to old mails. > > I think that would suit our usage pattern better than a forum and > personally I don't really want to start hosting/maintaining one (we should > have to integrate our own auth and probably acl into that, security audit, > keep it up-to-date, etc.). > I mean really, that would work too and I would be happy with that. That offers several advantages as well to the mailing list system. The main problem is convincing the group to adopt a platform that is *different* than the current one. -- Stephen Coakley