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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 19:30:53 +0200
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To: Scott Arciszewski <scott@paragonie.com>
Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Move internals discussion to a better medium
From: tyra3l@gmail.com (Ferenc Kovacs)

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On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Scott Arciszewski <scott@paragonie.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Ferenc Kovacs <tyra3l@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Terry Cullen <terry@terah.com.au> wrote=
:
> >
> >> On Tuesday, 4 August 2015, Johannes Schl=C3=BCter <johannes@schlueters=
.de>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sun, 2015-08-02 at 17:15 -0500, Stephen Coakley wrote:
> >> > > You have to admit, NNTP news is an aging technology, with fewer an=
d
> >> > > fewer readers available as time goes on. Nowadays (for graphical
> >> > > clients), there's Pan, and Thunderbird, and...? I use Thunderbird =
at
> >> the
> >> > > moment, because I didn't want to fill up my email, and there aren'=
t
> too
> >> > > many readers. Heck, Thunderbird is technically a "discontinued"
> >> product.
> >> >
> >> > ... and with a forum there is only a single client. The forum
> >> > itself. ;-)
> >> >
> >> > SCNR,
> >> > johannes
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List
> >> > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Redmine would be a good option.  http://www.redmine.org/
> >>
> >> The feature list has most everything covered in this thread.
> >> http://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/Features
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >
> >
> > hi,
> >
> > maybe it just me, but it seems to me, that every time this idea is
> brought
> > up, not many people from the actual participants of the list speak up,
> but
> > bunch of people who never before sent a mail to the list will chip in.
> > I'm not saying that there is nothing to improve, but I think that it
> would
> > be important to actually incorporate some feedback from the people
> actually
> > generating the content on the list.
> > personally I would prefer moving to something like google groups and
> doing
> > in a way that we can preserve archives (
> > https://github.com/wojdyr/fityk/wiki/MigrationToGoogleGroups)
> > that would allow us to actually kill our ancient list/ezmlm
> infrastructure
> > along with news.php.net which would be a huge win.
> > it would also make it much more easier to search/link to our mailing
> lists
> > archives:
> > news.php.net has no way of searching, news://news.php.net is pretty
> slow,
> > we have a couple of mail archives like
> > https://www.mail-archive.com/internals@lists.php.net/ which are indexin=
g
> > some of our mailing lists, but they don't have the archives from the
> > beginings, but I remember seeing a mail from them to ask for our archiv=
es
> > in an mbox and they then would be able to add the missing indexes.
> > moving to google groups would also make it much easier to manage the
> groups
> > (there are less people familiar with ezmlm administration than people
> with
> > google groups experience) and make it easier to reply to old mails.
> >
> > I think that would suit our usage pattern better than a forum and
> > personally I don't really want to start hosting/maintaining one (we
> should
> > have to integrate our own auth and probably acl into that, security
> audit,
> > keep it up-to-date, etc.).
> >
> > --
> > Ferenc Kov=C3=A1cs
> > @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu
>
> Not to pile in another voice from not a long-term participant, but
> here's my unsolicited $0.02 on this matter:
>
> Personally, I'd be fine with Google Groups. I recently set a few up
> for internal discussions (mostly to coordinate future blog posts for
> Paragon and brainstorm project ideas) and they're quite pleasant.
>
> One question (open for everyone, I don't necessarily expect Ferenc to
> know):
> Can we still archive messages on third-party sites (e.g.
> gmane.org/marc.info)? I've not delved into integration yet.
>
> Scott Arciszewski
> Chief Development Officer
> Paragon Initiative Enterprises <https://paragonie.com>
>

it is possible and there is preference for it:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.discuss/16642
http://www.ossec.net/?page_id=3D21


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Ferenc Kov=C3=A1cs
@Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu

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