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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Move internals discussion to a better medium
From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins)

On 02/08/2015 20:00, Dor Tchizik wrote:
>> The mailinglist might be far from perfect (which some people also say
>> about PHP so there's a good match) but it is a well established way of
>> communication in the PHP-community. I strongly believe that it would be
>> counterproductive to change the way of communication of the core
>> contributors for the sake of probanly getting two or three more
>> contributors. At least as long as the alternative is at least as faulty as
>> the current way of communication.
>>
>>
> What makes you think that two or three more contributors is what you'd get?
> The nodejs org on GitHub is almost 400 strong.

I'm not sure what number you're quoting there, but in case you've missed 
references in passing, PHP does have a presence on GitHub: 
https://github.com/php/php-src That repo (which is a mirror of the 
official self-hosted git repo) has apparently been forked over two 
thousand times, and has 223 open and 1224 closed Pull Requests.

I don't know how to quantify the number of people using bugs.php.net, 
but it has a stats page which suggests it's not exactly quiet: 
https://bugs.php.net/stats.php (if you're superstitious, you may take it 
as an omen that the Dupe count is currently 666...)

My local copy of about 2 years of internals posts suggests, in a very 
unscientific way (counting the number of pages I have to scroll down 
when grouping messages by sender), that as many as 600 different senders 
have contributed to the list in that time. I have no idea what this 
proves, but I also have no idea what your 400 refers to.

So, other than your own dislike of e-mails, what makes you think that a 
large number of potential contributors are put off contributing to PHP 
by using a mailing list for policy discussions?

Regards,

-- 
Rowan Collins
[IMSoP]