Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:87315 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 66287 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2015 08:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Jul 2015 08:09:25 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=anatol.php@belski.net; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=anatol.php@belski.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain belski.net from 85.214.73.107 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: anatol.php@belski.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 85.214.73.107 klapt.com Received: from [85.214.73.107] ([85.214.73.107:33196] helo=h1123647.serverkompetenz.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B2/70-61854-237E5B55 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 04:09:23 -0400 Received: by h1123647.serverkompetenz.net (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 234CC23D615C; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:09:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on h1123647.serverkompetenz.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from w530phpdev (pD9FD268F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.253.38.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h1123647.serverkompetenz.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 096B923D6003; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:09:09 +0200 (CEST) To: "'Scott Arciszewski'" Cc: "'Aaron Piotrowski'" , "'Sammy Kaye Powers'" , "'Larry Garfield'" , =?utf-8?Q?'Jakub_Kub=C3=AD=C4=8Dek'?= , "'Stanislav Malyshev'" , , "'Pierre Joye'" , "'Dean Eigenmann'" , "'Yasuo Ohgaki'" , "'PHP Internals'" References: <836BA21C-AE99-4E7B-AB06-EBC30E41BA0E@icicle.io> <0AD335F5-35F3-4D98-8F82-800A1EDF8FD8@icicle.io> <05f101d0c838$fcdab5e0$f69021a0$@belski.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:09:06 +0200 Message-ID: <060c01d0c843$84746910$8d5d3b30$@belski.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AQDrJ9+0MU8FOQ/rKelUCzkNPL+2ggHtSrGPAjHl/tYB/wuMmwKdOv+bArAxbGefXs+4oA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Core functions throwing exceptions in PHP7 From: anatol.php@belski.net ("Anatol Belski") Hi Scott, > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Arciszewski [mailto:scott@paragonie.com] > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 8:58 AM > To: Anatol Belski > Cc: Aaron Piotrowski ; Sammy Kaye Powers > ; Larry Garfield ; Jakub = Kub=C3=AD=C4=8Dek > ; Stanislav Malyshev ; > rowan.collins@gmail.com; Pierre Joye ; Dean > Eigenmann ; Yasuo Ohgaki > ; PHP Internals > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Core functions throwing exceptions in PHP7 >=20 > My only concern is that, we have a fixed timetable for the 7.0.0 = release. It's > certainly a good idea to develop a cogent strategy before moving = forward, but I > worry that bikeshedding will get involved and we won't make the = deadline. >=20 Clear, it is not something arising overnight. And bikeshedding is good = because it reveals many potential issues. Clear, it needs time. RC1 = might come after beta3 (or might not) which is roughly 1 month from now = on. It is in your guys hands. > I propose that, if a better strategy cannot be presented in time for = RC1, > consistency should take a back seat to security. Fail hard, throw an = Error, deal > with the details later. Clear, it can't be complete and accepted/declined in such a short period = (though much time is lost discussing only this one case). That's why I = wrote literally about a "rough draft". But it also can't arise if no one = cares. Then yes - we end up in a situation like "A over B" or "B over C" = without really knowing the consequences. =20 Cheers Anatol