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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Headsup: PHP7 feature freeze
From: php_lists@realplain.com ("Matt Wilmas")

Hi Anatol,

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anatol Belski"
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2015

> Hi Matt,
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Matt Wilmas [mailto:php_lists@realplain.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 4:10 AM
>> To: Internals; Kalle Sommer Nielsen
>> Cc: Anatoliy Belsky; Dmitry Stogov; Nikita Popov; Ferenc Kovacs; Xinchen
> Hui
>> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Headsup: PHP7 feature freeze
>>
>> Hello RMs, all!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kalle Sommer Nielsen"
>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015
>>
>> > Howdy
>> >
>> > This is a  quick heads up that we plan to have the next release of
>> > 7.0.0 be Beta 1, this marks a feature freeze and from there on, we
>> > will switch focus on to stabilization, regressions and other bug
>> > fixes.
>> >
>> > Beta 1 is schedule to be tagged and packaged on July 7th and released
>> > on July 9th which is a small 2 weeks from now to get any remaining
>> > changes of such in.
>> >
>> > If you are in doubt about whether or not your change would be
>> > considered a 'feature' or have any other questions, then feel free to
>> > mail us RMs or reply here.
>>
>> I intended to reply to this shortly after, and I guess there isn't much
> reason to
>> now.  :-)  I started messing with the parameter parsing stuff, which I
> thought
>> would take a couple days max, but I got deep into it.
>> Message coming sometime soon about that...
>>
>> Anyway, I was wanting to do some enhancements to the Postgres extension,
>> and I was hopeful they could be included for 7 until I saw this message
> and
>> thought, "Uh-oh."  Until the ZPP thing, I hoped I'd have the basics of 
>> the
>> "features" whipped up by the end of last week (not that I thought 
>> anything
> could
>> be commited immediately ;-)).
>>
>> Is this the shortest Alpha period ever? (Serious question. :-))  If I had
> really
>> jumped on the work (I had to get up to speed on some new-to-me 
>> internals),
> I
>> could have been maybe a month sooner.  But when I saw the wiki timetable,
> I
>> thought there'd been until August or so after 3-4 Alphas...
>> *shrug*  So if there are 9 releases before final, there's going to be 4-5
> Betas and
>> 4-5 RCs?  I thought there'd be more "even" distribution.
>>
>> Well, the Postgres stuff comes from the fact that I just "discovered" it
> (truly, in-
>> depth) about 10 weeks ago.  (Life changing!)  Of course shortly after
> something
>> led me to start looking into PHP's code, after already being 
>> disappointed.
> As I
>> analyzed things more, I figured I could actually fulfill my own wishlist.
> :-D
>>
>> The main "feature" is very straight-forward (almost search-and-replace!).
>> The other feature group I'm not sure what thoughts will be about
>> usability/implementation, but it shouldn't be that big either, and 
>> totally
> isolated
>> from existing functionality.
>>
>> BTW, there are *several* other issues with the extension's code, that I
> started
>> noticing right away.  I literally lost track, didn't note them; but
> hopefully can
>> clean them all up.  Of course these can all be done, and also applied to
> 5.6,
>> AFAIK.
>>
>> If we can have these changes sometime, it'd be nice if it was before
> 7.1...
>> Of course, for my personal use, I really don't care since I can use them
> right
>> away.  But I think the PHP-Postgres community needs them and would be
> glad!
>>
> Thanks for the suggestion. Do you already have some code to show?

No, not yet.  But I'll still go ahead and send my proposed changes when I 
get to it fairly soon.  Like I said, I want this for my own use at least, so 
the sooner it's done, the better. :-)

Back in May I thought I'd first try to fix the different issues I noticed, 
but at this point, it's probably better to focus on the features part, and 
then do the other stuff after.  I don't think there's much overlap...

> Regards
>
> Anatol

Thanks,
Matt