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Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 13:15:03 -0600
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To: Stanislav Malyshev <smalyshev@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Exceptions in the engine
From: levim@php.net (Levi Morrison)

On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Stanislav Malyshev <smalyshev@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
>> The key is that I feel like the voting body wasn't well informed. It's
>> not because I lost; rather it's because I feel like the people voting
>> yes didn't actually understand the issues at play. There is a big
>> difference between that and revoting after a vote didn't go my way as
>> an effort to try again.
>
> If you have a specific proposal how to make the votes more informed, you
> are most welcome. Protesting the result of a specific vote, post-vote,
> on the grounds that "these guys don't know what they're talking about" -
> does not seem very useful to me. Primarily because this argument can be
> applied to virtually any vote and there's no way to arrive at a
> practical conclusion distinguishing valid vote from invalid based on it
> - anybody can claim that if his side lost then the other side didn't
> know what they're talking about. If is a possibility that this may
> indeed happen - our current voting system has very few safeguards
> against uninformed voting and all you need to vote is a committer
> access, which doesn't make one an expert in everything. But protesting
> result of a particular vote is not the way to fix the problem, if it exists.

The difference is that as time goes on and I've written code for PHP 7
I was hit by this issue. It's an even bigger issue than even I
realized during voting. How many people who voted on that issue have
played with the code from both scenarios? Few, I can't guarantee it
but given the historical precedent it's almost certainly true.