Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:86258 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 59720 invoked from network); 16 May 2015 19:13:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 May 2015 19:13:13 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.192.171 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.192.171 mail-pd0-f171.google.com Received: from [209.85.192.171] ([209.85.192.171:35107] helo=mail-pd0-f171.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id CE/AA-14891-9C697555 for ; Sat, 16 May 2015 15:13:13 -0400 Received: by pdea3 with SMTP id a3so75304509pde.2 for ; Sat, 16 May 2015 12:13:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=julvQ3Xz3cp52wKonK+KBGV+xECJZw11cbxEwz2oCIE=; b=O7s2/B2N7TxDL/R1b896aLz9RtQPQapBr6UfjLuUSq+RE2JsUvjx1idRGG2MdbeLZW mAEF/Ikv2tgllnd4SsL+xXOQGI3QCQfjhksS+o5YbaVhZwS+D0jdmQquqMo0FfKIYkmX pjfLBgZXoFllnz6KV1JWohYWK/vEOOBHlens+H0y49ZjsOld0uWBQ38haKzKmDQPdaQ3 MI1WNw7w+Tqwc2poDLaJQJAWs6UAzGVSJyyUrihaNy46ZU/v3nrbG22MK5KcZliJ+BgR CoIyZZbc9Z6L6OMoV/5NNjmhY6rbwpMqrF/0EidvkJpw/e3x3Z74T27+VoOPvFA0SkgX XM0g== X-Received: by 10.70.108.137 with SMTP id hk9mr29715941pdb.105.1431803589814; Sat, 16 May 2015 12:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Stas-Air.local (108-66-6-48.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net. [108.66.6.48]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h12sm5444080pdk.77.2015.05.16.12.13.08 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 16 May 2015 12:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <555796C0.2020002@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 12:13:04 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Levi Morrison CC: Rowan Collins , internals References: <54F07FC7.8050901@php.net> <54F0839C.3010700@seld.be> <55052FAD.6090608@php.net> <5505346D.7020700@php.net> <550DA4EE.2030903@php.net> <55410973.4010300@php.net> <55417C64.7000707@gmail.com> <5541B4D6.9060503@php.net> <55425D7E.6010803@gmail.com> <554D8F4D.9020903@gmail.com> <554D90CC.3040607@php.net> <5552E3EB.5010800@gmail.com> <5552E494.5070401@php.net> <5552FF58.8070807@php.net> <55575DCF.50801@gmail.com> <55578C61.3040408@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Exceptions in the engine From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > The key is that I feel like the voting body wasn't well informed. It's > not because I lost; rather it's because I feel like the people voting > yes didn't actually understand the issues at play. There is a big > difference between that and revoting after a vote didn't go my way as > an effort to try again. If you have a specific proposal how to make the votes more informed, you are most welcome. Protesting the result of a specific vote, post-vote, on the grounds that "these guys don't know what they're talking about" - does not seem very useful to me. Primarily because this argument can be applied to virtually any vote and there's no way to arrive at a practical conclusion distinguishing valid vote from invalid based on it - anybody can claim that if his side lost then the other side didn't know what they're talking about. If is a possibility that this may indeed happen - our current voting system has very few safeguards against uninformed voting and all you need to vote is a committer access, which doesn't make one an expert in everything. But protesting result of a particular vote is not the way to fix the problem, if it exists. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com