Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:86253 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 51473 invoked from network); 16 May 2015 18:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 May 2015 18:36:02 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=morrison.levi@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=morrison.levi@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.223.180 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: morrison.levi@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.223.180 mail-ie0-f180.google.com Received: from [209.85.223.180] ([209.85.223.180:36844] helo=mail-ie0-f180.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 45/F8-14891-F0E87555 for ; Sat, 16 May 2015 14:36:00 -0400 Received: by iepk2 with SMTP id k2so144841086iep.3 for ; Sat, 16 May 2015 11:35:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=sSrqKqRBbhEiHI/XWAIvdgwmDR7xIDJFci2MGxwBqyw=; b=Pb6izJQD0aZ1ov3W3rlzzv7XmaRRlmyCyK/ieX2739SsZbFOG50HAR6P8FfKiO58uv FUWoGZbVjKPeYYpjd/f9kFlAIID+kVqRi+FuIhtynh4r7u8mjAUDakYdNJjqW+tQT4OA hIJA+sOC0wYkkz4lSFrZJaqaRH4vzCMitnnlepgt0LVOEHtjOfWechmPxGWYlKPqjHz5 IV6rlTDxBpjwqBq3e+MSobeXz7f4CuNWOlzdxe8VQ5rabxnkdhe+6iH3+4Xfh4rWwgkW javNh9Yd6oMlgPYPLwGISaJb+FR9ws1BHJOfAsNTOqhwfBWcsZqCxPDDzvUloKApBop2 +AAQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.10.146 with SMTP id 18mr9727710iok.40.1431801357210; Sat, 16 May 2015 11:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: morrison.levi@gmail.com Received: by 10.79.98.67 with HTTP; Sat, 16 May 2015 11:35:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55578C61.3040408@gmail.com> References: <54F07FC7.8050901@php.net> <54F0839C.3010700@seld.be> <55052FAD.6090608@php.net> <5505346D.7020700@php.net> <550DA4EE.2030903@php.net> <55410973.4010300@php.net> <55417C64.7000707@gmail.com> <5541B4D6.9060503@php.net> <55425D7E.6010803@gmail.com> <554D8F4D.9020903@gmail.com> <554D90CC.3040607@php.net> <5552E3EB.5010800@gmail.com> <5552E494.5070401@php.net> <5552FF58.8070807@php.net> <55575DCF.50801@gmail.com> <55578C61.3040408@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 12:35:57 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Bk0Z-1DY3fLzkMYdKbbKt2ehTaE Message-ID: To: Stanislav Malyshev Cc: Rowan Collins , internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Exceptions in the engine From: levim@php.net (Levi Morrison) On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> There's nothing that prevents us from reneging on that by another >> vote. If it's a bad decision backed by logical arguments then we can > > That's a pretty big if, given that your only argument - that it is a BC > break - is incorrect, as in fact the set of exceptions caught before and > after change is exactly the same, and the only difference is that in the > new code, you can *also* catch errors, the option that you didn't have > before. Absent that argument, there's no reason to renege. > >> overturn it. Also note that *barely* passes at 67%. That is hardly a >> landslide conclusion. > > We're going the dangerous road here. I agree that decision taken can be > overridden if we find out it was bad decision, and that can - and > eventually will - happen. However, re-opening decision immediately after > it was agreed, without any new facts or anything changes, leads to much > worse outcomes, as with this pattern we will never be able to decide > anything as long as there is at least some small set of people that > disagree. Voting is a means of establishing common goals while having > disagreements, and a means of moving the project forward without being > blocked by each disagreement. I say this as somebody who lost my share > of votes and still disagreeing with some decisions taken, but re-opening > them immediately after taking them is worse. The key is that I feel like the voting body wasn't well informed. It's not because I lost; rather it's because I feel like the people voting yes didn't actually understand the issues at play. There is a big difference between that and revoting after a vote didn't go my way as an effort to try again.