Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:86251 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 45275 invoked from network); 16 May 2015 17:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 May 2015 17:57:29 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=morrison.levi@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=morrison.levi@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.213.182 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: morrison.levi@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.213.182 mail-ig0-f182.google.com Received: from [209.85.213.182] ([209.85.213.182:38190] helo=mail-ig0-f182.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F8/B7-14891-80587555 for ; Sat, 16 May 2015 13:57:28 -0400 Received: by igcau1 with SMTP id au1so20910060igc.1 for ; Sat, 16 May 2015 10:57:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=zh3WiL7Dyxhlt08tVjTTrouCQfWe3KKZKmoh7mwxRlQ=; b=aGgz3S88GMW3C8Q7atlnQQygyLeIYaHVQMvTD9JRkoFcI+iZ9Hki0IwOpHvSx8dQ1+ 4WH181AhZnhtMAyi63r33pn3Sdj5FpbJyVACUBPXfFA88vk7LHVgELj+b5x8u1X24azL M9FEc8/hWotXzKb5P+5swguTa7ftxZXu9KgWKg/g+PmGAuyqu6ZHmg3j/wiWchZUmzJx 56uzro73iL8fO5WtYVxnkJAxVjnpCfR3MrkBFzb3ViXVu5nNyFYCTNaqRxDV2ejonFvq lMuLv6TtgzoCsT2xY1KJYW+wRgOH7tJorSn88bCRDg/OLSAcW43Cr8alnUVqYdt94Px4 EROA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.79.197 with SMTP id s5mr26800673ick.85.1431799045835; Sat, 16 May 2015 10:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Sender: morrison.levi@gmail.com Received: by 10.79.98.67 with HTTP; Sat, 16 May 2015 10:57:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <54F07FC7.8050901@php.net> <54F0839C.3010700@seld.be> <55052FAD.6090608@php.net> <5505346D.7020700@php.net> <550DA4EE.2030903@php.net> <55410973.4010300@php.net> <55417C64.7000707@gmail.com> <5541B4D6.9060503@php.net> <55425D7E.6010803@gmail.com> <554D8F4D.9020903@gmail.com> <554D90CC.3040607@php.net> <5552E3EB.5010800@gmail.com> <5552E494.5070401@php.net> <5552FF58.8070807@php.net> <55575DCF.50801@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 11:57:25 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: WndozM0_fPKfNocVnHwnu3vsV9k Message-ID: To: Rowan Collins Cc: internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Exceptions in the engine From: levim@php.net (Levi Morrison) On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Levi Morrison wrote: >> This was the subject of a separate vote in the RFC, which passed by 39 votes >> to 19. https://wiki.php.net/rfc/engine_exceptions_for_php7 The subject of >> discussion at present is the exact naming of the various classes/interfaces, >> not the general nature of the hierarchy. > > There's nothing that prevents us from reneging on that by another > vote. If it's a bad decision backed by logical arguments then we can > overturn it. Also note that *barely* passes at 67%. That is hardly a > landslide conclusion. I also want to draw attention to some of the people who voted against a base exception: - rasmus - nikic - sebastian These three represent fairly different realms of focus: Rasmus has a longer-term view, Nikita is a much more recent pickup but has brought us some of our most excellent RFCs, and Sebastian works (almost?) exclusively in user-land only and is the author of PHPUnit, a library that will probably be affected by this change. I feel like there were that many "yes" votes to a base exception because they fully didn't understand the issues at play.