Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:86163 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 71965 invoked from network); 12 May 2015 04:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 May 2015 04:06:03 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=php@golemon.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=php@golemon.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (pb1.pair.com: domain golemon.com does not designate 209.85.215.53 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: php@golemon.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.215.53 mail-la0-f53.google.com Received: from [209.85.215.53] ([209.85.215.53:33873] helo=mail-la0-f53.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A9/00-04700-A2C71555 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 00:06:03 -0400 Received: by laat2 with SMTP id t2so107655544laa.1 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 21:05:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ahvdOyMHew0+mA0L6k1GbK9xAHPm5DJrksTBZVDU8Go=; b=GygYt8C4MvYHYbYer3j6W2KSNk8e0TSNt3HhOS0PBKjAelBS9MhkKkLFVJ/gdDkXDC FDLJe4kmi3d2dTawwCgLKrljWSCVnmvGd1wtTRsT4LbUFOJQBxnm8NNlN1U2byCMlCj5 wIIC7THwfcihtUW6DrVoxGbncbzxJc1kP3HPfkBVXv4/4agz49LHG9i2INy1ZFttWKbE ol+03l/j1PimSIN0xp24/6/yhHvq9rwTQKY/GkfH9xORvQTsp8t2vO7pYzzcLXq7oRzL eNpEMJ0S3rFqmbIB5pb4sAjSM+VZnyvoVONtMhp2pKceR4iZe0hgciS7GNKcw4pIuxty mLaw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm1oW/3qvqEELCznVVHkSEl59DuscJODuFt1qQe749xeXWcwAXHZ1MuzVrpaSSj7SgL3ivW MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.72.104 with SMTP id c8mr10663762lbv.77.1431403559708; Mon, 11 May 2015 21:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Sender: php@golemon.com Received: by 10.112.11.134 with HTTP; Mon, 11 May 2015 21:05:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [73.189.247.124] In-Reply-To: <579127CDC1B54040BEEFD4564A6F78B7@pc1> References: <55513AA4.7010706@gmail.com> <579127CDC1B54040BEEFD4564A6F78B7@pc1> Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 21:05:59 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: muJt8ce97_4hLKrD5fjRPGJz0q0 Message-ID: To: Matt Wilmas Cc: Stanislav Malyshev , PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Undefined variables undefined order From: pollita@php.net (Sara Golemon) On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Matt Wilmas wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stanislav Malyshev" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 > >>> argument. I'd like to propose making the order of evaluation defined >>> by splitting this into separate statements: >> >> What is the purpose of this? I.e. why is it important that these notices >> would be produced in certain order? > > Logic, consistency, "polish," etc. :-) > Exactly this. :) It's just my CDO kicking in. It's not necessary for the language to function. Heck, HHVM already matches PHP 5.1-7.0's out-of-order behavior, so fixing PHP only creates double work for me. I just look at these error messages and twitch uncomfortably. -Sara