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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:53:42 +0300
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PDO Oracle driver
From: arvids.godjuks@gmail.com (Arvids Godjuks)

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2015-04-24 12:59 GMT+03:00 Johannes Schl=C3=BCter <johannes@schlueters.de>:

> On Fri, 2015-04-24 at 09:16 +0300, Arvids Godjuks wrote:
> > May I question the sanity of the words written in this email? :D (it's =
a
> > joke).
> >
> > The whole point of mysqlnd drivers and other improvements was to cut do=
wn
> > on data copying, improving performance and doing a lot of other stuff.
> > Moving PDO to a PHP implementation will kill it all: preformance will
> > suffer, memory usage will skyrocket, dealing with charsets - I don't ev=
en
> > wana pretend I understand how to deal with that part in a proper fasion=
.
> > Doesn't it require access to internal PHP api's to do a lot of what PDO
> and
> > other native drivers do?
> > Well, the Zephyr could pitch in here, MAYBE, depending on how good it
> > actually is and what it can do, but still, it feels more like a cruch t=
o
> me.
>
> In many many different topics I stressed that we should do things in
> userland and use extensions only when needed for performance.
>
> Doing things in userland gives
>       * better debugability
>       * better understanding for users
>       * lower entry barrier
>       * faster development time
>       * better ability to evolve (different library versions can coexist
>         on a system, for old and new code)
>
> With the changes in PHP 7 this is viable for even more areas. What PDO
> does is very thin. And mind: If a user truly cares about the last bit of
> performance they won't use an abstraction, they use DBMS-specific SQL
> and cut out abstractions. But for many cases that level of performance
> matters, as usage of ORMs etc. show. Also mind that processing in the
> database server and network traffic probably cost way more time than a
> thin wrapper even in userspace (in real life, not in "SELECT 1")
>
> johannes
>
>
> It may have a merit to try it out, and as I said - Zephyr is an
interesting idea to try - may work quite well considering.

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