Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:85642 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 32590 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2015 17:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Apr 2015 17:15:48 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mike.php.net@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mike.php.net@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.212.172 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mike.php.net@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.212.172 mail-wi0-f172.google.com Received: from [209.85.212.172] ([209.85.212.172:34795] helo=mail-wi0-f172.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C4/B1-21906-3C72C155 for ; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 12:15:47 -0500 Received: by wixo5 with SMTP id o5so34096706wix.1 for ; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 10:15:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=vihF6GpPeAf9RL789dte8vB7185ZHb8TAn7eDzf38e8=; b=shsFj6PBzA2t/ULgH5lPPZsEokLJ+p/0rkC/i2e/30pH2RqklvxRouOX8cPVf00odX NTYAtiGIIK0WWoJbQkfSnB2p9B5CZruIAVnIa14lbvGfvamwOfL0FXX5UxiFUUf0LrpZ REV62F5qoD5ZF6NK2Aerkbt0tCUXZycBxIKeEf2g8HBqW4FAFCfo4RUrAYJ0BoOlHwLb HTga4oQH24J4NKhzg7e0e/BoU8cJenCVZ0lhe2RGhJby0eZuECSqzMWUzB0+aS5GCek4 TNrksfyDxY3tbn5kcTtjUWhawNYVgnkot1RFElRFtFHx0kED6jTwNYg3do3OPjAKZn3E Q4tA== X-Received: by 10.194.185.68 with SMTP id fa4mr83884243wjc.111.1427908544298; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 10:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lepisma.bemi (89-104-28-113.customer.bnet.at. [89.104.28.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z13sm3531182wjr.44.2015.04.01.10.15.43 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Apr 2015 10:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Michael Wallner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) In-Reply-To: <030a01d06c98$e84725b0$b8d57110$@php.net> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 19:15:42 +0200 Cc: Ferenc Kovacs , Dennis Birkholz , PHP Internals Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <4EECFE82-5457-4AD9-AEBD-1267D93863FA@php.net> References: <551BC7CF.3080309@birkholz.biz> <02f101d06c6e$3790c020$a6b24060$@php.net> <030a01d06c98$e84725b0$b8d57110$@php.net> To: francois@php.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] What's our official stance on small self-contained additions in a micro version From: mike@php.net (Michael Wallner) > On 01 04 2015, at 18:28, Fran=C3=A7ois Laupretre = wrote: >=20 >> De : Ferenc Kovacs [mailto:tyra3l@gmail.com] >>=20 >> I could accept any decision between holding off new features until = next=20 >> minor/major and allowing features explicitly without going through an = RFC, but I=20 >> want to have an explicit definition on what is allowed and how should = the case- >> by-case process work. >=20 > The release process document is clear : "New features or additions to = the core should go through the RFC process." (hopefully considering the = 'core' as the whole PHP distribution). It would be better using "must" = instead of "should" but it is quite clear. >=20 > So, providing "a room for exceptions on a case by case basis and only = for small self-contained features and additions" does not mean that = these features don't have to go through an RFC. There is nothing to add = to the rules, we just need to have them enforced by people who currently = merge new features without demanding an approved RFC. If everyone = respects the rules, the 'case by case process' is clear, it means = 'approved through an RFC'. Only bug fixes with no side effect can be = merged without an RFC. >=20 > So, once again, as https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/1145 clearly = did not follow the rules and was not approved in any way, I'm asking = whoever merged it to revert the change and ask the author to go through = an RFC. It=E2=80=99s not a secret that I=E2=80=99m not a big fan of too much = bureaucracy, we=E2=80=99re still humans that can discuss and argue = without a formal RFC. If anything develops to be controversial, let=E2=80=99s go through an = RFC, if not, then fine and let them go ahead.