Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:85352 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 86507 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2015 02:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Mar 2015 02:30:43 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.216.178 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.216.178 mail-qc0-f178.google.com Received: from [209.85.216.178] ([209.85.216.178:35579] helo=mail-qc0-f178.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4C/16-64120-2D7DC055 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2015 21:30:42 -0500 Received: by qcbkw5 with SMTP id kw5so108590026qcb.2 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:30:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ln+jsaQPf/PDCrLk7oPc63xFiWAun04wQM5WUCl6cQw=; b=D4mCW81o6nv8ZSyYFpblitXNPaflP7Qmbt2A2uObai4ucuRU9kS4rUlRVb7pQuMKT+ V4yY+1mMIkSCUFebwC5K597YNJfYgeA3fTWn1uoBj/ccTOVa8F6xGw/Uwkjylc1cNI/D Gn6g2c1kwnt8CpZPZBE78nRSH+SLU+VK6tkcA/dKSOKdSIxf9WDBf4RTcz+jWpB77Z2O uipof+FTMuwSNS+RdpgnOPniCLC9lgGd73Vf8QuLCl6pupI3imL5LaM1vLqCnPw3QAk3 j0/+mryYXuQIQb/cdtKF5JOh62jBYt3+v+zieES99vy1PExG4HiWO+5CecAwHGFiuE6g /Dkw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.95.179 with SMTP id i48mr102414438qge.4.1426905039233; Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.39.195 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:30:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:30:39 +1100 Message-ID: To: Philip Sturgeon Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Only Vote on Votes Initiated After Registration From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) hi, On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 5:01 AM, Philip Sturgeon wrote: > While you can easily question the value or motives of Anthony's post > about voting irregularities, some simple improvements can be made > which are uncontroversial. I consider this a low hanging fruit, like > restricting the sale of firearms to people who are clearly drunk. > > I mentioned on that other thread that the FIG has a rule saying you > cannot cast a vote in any vote that was initiated before your > membership was activated. That annoyed me a little as I missed out on > my vote for PSR-1 and PSR-2, but it's a great way to keep some > potential foul play out of things. > > This may not have ever happened. > > This will not fix every imagined issue with voting. > > If it was happening, it would be bad, right? > > Let's just shove that rule in the wiki and call it done. To be honest I do not think there are much issues related to this specific case. However i worry much more about: - minimal discussion time before voting - actual announces on internals, for discussions phase, voting phase and approval - avoid changes in a RFC during and after the voting phases but typos these are the technical measures I want to implement in the wiki to avoid such things to ever happen again. The tricky parts being the edition of a RFC during and after voting. While typos could be fine, I tend to think that it should not be allowed. One possible way is to have the wiki post on internals any changes happening in a RFC during or after the votes, so a peer review can happen. The time periods limitations are easy to deal with and will ensure a clear rule for everyone. The announces should be automatic, sent by the wiki, in a way that one cannot move from one phase to another and forget to send the announces mails. On the same note, I would like to get some tech writers involved in the RFC process. We have seen some very low quality RFC (the RFC itself not necessary the idea behind it). Having tech writers, native-like speakers, involved would make the wording and correctness of a RFC much less open to interpretations and clear. A side effect, it will also the lazy among us to actually use the RFC in a better way without being stopped due to some writing issues :) Thoughts? Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org