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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 12:24:39 +1100
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To: Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Voting irregularities
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> wrote:
> Pierre Joye wrote:
>
>> However, as of today, you are the blocking point when it comes to
>> improve the wiki RFCs, registration and voting areas.And this is
>> really becoming a problem. I am not talking about irregularities and
>> the likes and I agree that it may not be fair to start bitching about
>> one or another vote, especially for some 1st time voters but oldest
>> contributors. While I do see an issue with inactive developers
>> suddenly jumping in but not using or contributing to PHP in any form
>> since quite long. But this is a totally different issues and I really
>> have no idea how to solve that, I do not see it as a big issue either
>> so...
>>
>> However, the RFCs have been abused in many possible ways where I
>> thought common sense will make people act fairly and correctly. I was
>> wrong. Having simple technical measures to ensure fairness in
>> discussions, voting and end of voting periods will prevent some of
>> these abuses to happen again. It is possible to achieve that without
>> going down a more drastic road (anonymous votes or other more deep
>> changes) but will make things work the same way for everyone.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Now, to be able to actually implement the little technical measure to
>> ensure that everyone follows the same rules, I ask you one more time
>> to provide the data of the current wiki so patches, changes etc can be
>> implemented in a safer way. You know where to reach me to provide it.
>> Thanks for your cooperation.
>
> Whatever you want to improve, please consider that the PHP wiki is
> driven by DokuWiki which needs to get updated from time to time (lately
> there have been two updates every year[1]; this is not accounting any
> necessary updates to DokuWiki plugins).  These updates seem to be
> painful already, due to the required customizations.  It would be
> helpful if further as well as existing customizations could be moved to
> custom DokuWiki plugins as far as feasible.

I know, we setup it together with Lukas back then. And yes, most of
the changes should be plugins not patching the cores, the latter is a
maintenance nightmare.

> Furthermore, please note that README.CONFIGURE[2] states:
>
> | There is no data in cvs. The data is only available on the server and
> | backup many times daily. If you need sample data using the production
> | documents, please contact the php webmaster list.

I know that too and asked that for more than a year now. Hence my
rather undiplomatic mail.

> To avoid potential misunderstandings: I'm rather new to php.net, and I
> don't like to get involved into apparently long standing contentions.
> Instead I'd prefer to help to maintain the technical base (i.e. the
> software -- I'm no sys admin) of the wiki for the sake of PHP.

I very much appreciate your efforts and contributions, much much welcome! :)

Cheers,
-- 
Pierre

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