Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:85206 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 10623 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2015 01:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Mar 2015 01:19:34 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=cmbecker69@gmx.de; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=cmbecker69@gmx.de; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmx.de designates 212.227.17.21 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: cmbecker69@gmx.de X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.227.17.21 mout.gmx.net Received: from [212.227.17.21] ([212.227.17.21:53628] helo=mout.gmx.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 36/E3-23888-4242A055 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2015 20:19:33 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([91.67.244.80]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LqE5k-1ZC9mz0tRg-00dpXO; Thu, 19 Mar 2015 02:19:29 +0100 Message-ID: <550A2427.3060807@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 02:19:35 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre Joye , Hannes Magnusson CC: "Sebastian B.-Hagensen" , Anthony Ferrara , "internals@lists.php.net" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:I6hbe7Xhc7Of/Yi5tscSBbE+SpZjyb5tP9PZhNQ66u3Wz3EM3Hm RZi21QCsFgNun1kS/jhdZMrjPhUmOOtHo130fPjZev+ZcaEWru75cPrsMzhPnxCEpUZpFC/ xuOwrnwYwWhBQuY59JLRuHAj9BYO64ErJi178z6hqZp8otZw+tiNLP5HLfngIOnm8BOZO9G M+oLeItlj7o5i6uNRCrog== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Voting irregularities From: cmbecker69@gmx.de (Christoph Becker) Pierre Joye wrote: > However, as of today, you are the blocking point when it comes to > improve the wiki RFCs, registration and voting areas.And this is > really becoming a problem. I am not talking about irregularities and > the likes and I agree that it may not be fair to start bitching about > one or another vote, especially for some 1st time voters but oldest > contributors. While I do see an issue with inactive developers > suddenly jumping in but not using or contributing to PHP in any form > since quite long. But this is a totally different issues and I really > have no idea how to solve that, I do not see it as a big issue either > so... > > However, the RFCs have been abused in many possible ways where I > thought common sense will make people act fairly and correctly. I was > wrong. Having simple technical measures to ensure fairness in > discussions, voting and end of voting periods will prevent some of > these abuses to happen again. It is possible to achieve that without > going down a more drastic road (anonymous votes or other more deep > changes) but will make things work the same way for everyone. > > [...] > > Now, to be able to actually implement the little technical measure to > ensure that everyone follows the same rules, I ask you one more time > to provide the data of the current wiki so patches, changes etc can be > implemented in a safer way. You know where to reach me to provide it. > Thanks for your cooperation. Whatever you want to improve, please consider that the PHP wiki is driven by DokuWiki which needs to get updated from time to time (lately there have been two updates every year[1]; this is not accounting any necessary updates to DokuWiki plugins). These updates seem to be painful already, due to the required customizations. It would be helpful if further as well as existing customizations could be moved to custom DokuWiki plugins as far as feasible. Furthermore, please note that README.CONFIGURE[2] states: | There is no data in cvs. The data is only available on the server and | backup many times daily. If you need sample data using the production | documents, please contact the php webmaster list. To avoid potential misunderstandings: I'm rather new to php.net, and I don't like to get involved into apparently long standing contentions. Instead I'd prefer to help to maintain the technical base (i.e. the software -- I'm no sys admin) of the wiki for the sake of PHP. [1] [2] -- Christoph M. Becker