Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:85156 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 15940 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2015 23:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Mar 2015 23:24:47 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.192.171 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.192.171 mail-pd0-f171.google.com Received: from [209.85.192.171] ([209.85.192.171:35926] helo=mail-pd0-f171.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C0/AB-56166-EB7B8055 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 18:24:47 -0500 Received: by pdbcz9 with SMTP id cz9so23509138pdb.3 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 16:24:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sS+bSTjMiPaT5LqxGdhxxcXXc21zL995rvsHDSL5oFo=; b=R02W6GuH9YxLzL7+60P/eN//KGo0HoPysdfvyXItk6UM99q67kW0aPq30EEwErWwoh TwQzIxZXL10QLV1NmWrWFZnEOFvnmldILMnbiFNiXYpbWxFudcwk5czDV7wjVZBT/dOk liEifi7fqOJGCjwmw2wayyQJlx40NI+Z1jdWx4IJMsCgClhXd2w988K955RgTFaazgYC ZUsrv8GG4UEPN7+Ij9kbiy7xfQSegHpKLyFaiWvrlSin/v5SWa88A4f3ONmLthtgl2Zc KmXdBR8Dnuhhyn3XAOzRfJl5L/Z9SoeU7wI6S53QdRlRn7xJ74NzH5CVRCq7x5b9qZA8 zJOQ== X-Received: by 10.70.14.226 with SMTP id s2mr153845445pdc.145.1426634684326; Tue, 17 Mar 2015 16:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Stas-Air.local (108-66-6-48.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net. [108.66.6.48]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ov5sm23614188pdb.91.2015.03.17.16.24.43 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Mar 2015 16:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5508B7BA.6000108@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 16:24:42 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Ackroyd , Stelian Mocanita CC: PHP Internals List References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Vote process change proposal From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > I think having clearer rules about what lobbying is permitted, and > introducing some rules on who can vote on what would be a better way > of limiting the effect of lobbying. And pretty soon we'll have 100-page law codex about rules of campaigning and campaign expenditures and what can be said to whom in which place in whose presence. All of which of course would be completely unenforceable but breed more and more allegations of violations and mistrust and gamesmanship. And this is to limit the mythical "effect of lobbying" the existence of which is absolutely without proof. I think this is a solution is desperate search of a non-existing problem. Let's just recognize "lobbying" in our case is called "discussion" and try to make it productive instead of disabling it. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com