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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 09:10:41 +1100
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To: Peter Petermann <ppetermann80@gmail.com>
Cc: PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>, Pascal Chevrel <pascal.chevrel@free.fr>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] About declare(strict_types = 1)
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

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On Mar 17, 2015 7:05 AM, "Peter Petermann" <ppetermann80@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On March 16, 2015 2:32:39 PM GMT+01:00, Pascal Chevrel <
pascal.chevrel@free.fr> wrote:
>
> >It's too late, Bob's Basic STH missed the schedule for PHP 7, it was
> >proposed way too late and the coercive STH RFC has just zero chance to
> >pass, it's too much of a BC break for everybody. The dual mode STH is
> >the only chance to have something for PHP 7 and remain competitive with
> Rushing through with an controversial solution, because others didn't
make a date seems like such a good plan.
>
> No one is dying if STH doesn't make it into 7.0.0.

No one will die if php dies. Your point here is totally irrelevant.

> >HHVM, Node.js=E2=80=A6 that we see people switch to. Baidu switched to H=
HVM,
> >Wikipedia too, in my country big names switched from PHP to node.js and
> >that was not just for performance reasons, it was also for the
> >features.
> hhvm offers an alternative php implementation that tries to be
compatible,  hack(lang) is where you find the differences you are looking
for.  That said, I don't see the sky falling if people who need a specific
feature use another tool. The adoption rate of hack is tiny.
>
> As for nodejs, nodejs is a framework, not a language. Javascript does not
offer type hints. And if you look at how to compete with nodejs, then what
you should be looking at is what needs to be improved with php to allow
frameworks like reactphp to work better. How to improve support for
non-blocking io.
>
> And I dunno, but I don't think that "per file" settings make the
callback-heavy code that's typical for non-blocking stuff better, in fact
I'm convinced it will add an additional layer of headache.
>
> >Zeev himself admitted that we need something for PHP 7.
> If it is THAT important for PHP 7 (and IMHO it's not) then maybe the
timeline for PHP 7 needs to be reevaluated, to make sure all dependencies
are the best option and not something rushed in because of ::conflict::.

I think you may talk to more developers. I have talked to many, at many
confs and UGs (and way too many in the last few weeks, across the pacific),
I can count users not looking for STH with one hand.

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