Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:85062 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 42338 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2015 14:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Mar 2015 14:36:53 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=xinchen.h@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=laruence@php.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 209.85.215.48 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: xinchen.h@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.215.48 mail-la0-f48.google.com Received: from [209.85.215.48] ([209.85.215.48:33400] helo=mail-la0-f48.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id AF/61-34940-17AE6055 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 09:36:43 -0500 Received: by ladw1 with SMTP id w1so41616321lad.0 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 07:36:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HPMMaM5km0i4m9G2xFxcpXn5Pb93ZUAkPsj+9AJTr88=; b=A8mai2jIUAtzx5zwqrPnM2ImhGkW+6JarrX8svXqw3NwNczKaet7zj7jP/kVrzyM+v wpbiZGW/hHJ+dUf+lZI+31C+50Z1O7SvXZ1zambvDHmICkemcE9S82BOEwpPsgxD9efZ H3jn7My30tgewxSOlB7ZB29cssNDIxXUMlhSNe4icXdUoP6T+0ZQitWrkbS0XkNKNNR4 xAszJi0+URhRTKR25GalriwpfMA9nCwkt1Mm8j8HaMNtkHlmfQb0l0cUim+PbKwiUd5z TZYmgZIRCv7Sjy63XPZbmQfNv0de7emiCqbWsTWLzJfhoMEBMfL71zL1vw5+GjXVJisT ywRA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnM7v50Kp3yDzdfDPYpBkAyXX9FCk9xWwDQ76CQ2/vQgUPxiVtABKHJWAEsb+vuRJHWNPRWgfnEzOAE+4CRc/bft0NP25Rgz6spXTIE9csSWwnhyvJzKPTySna8JbYfVckQQwVK1vJD4Oo2e8GRTpBTng3M0A== X-Received: by 10.152.5.194 with SMTP id u2mr55779620lau.88.1426516581478; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 07:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com (mail-lb0-f181.google.com. [209.85.217.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id jp17sm2222936lab.34.2015.03.16.07.36.20 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Mar 2015 07:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbcgn8 with SMTP id gn8so21385866lbc.2 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 07:36:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.152.9.98 with SMTP id y2mr55300391laa.94.1426516579904; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 07:36:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.82.99 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 07:35:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <138c7db8d90febeec59bbf7b3aa327ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <138c7db8d90febeec59bbf7b3aa327ec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 22:35:59 +0800 Message-ID: To: Zeev Suraski Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Dual Mode STH From: laruence@php.net (Xinchen Hui) Hey: On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote: > All, > > > > After much thinking, and despite grave concerns I raised about what > transpired in the last 24 hours, I decided to get behind the Dual Mode RF= C > at this time. > > > > I call upon everyone - both people that haven=E2=80=99t yet voted and tho= se who > voted no - to do the same so that we ensure that we have STH in PHP 7.0: > > wiki.php.net/rfc/scalar_type_hints_v5#vote > > > > As I=E2=80=99ve said all along, I=E2=80=99m not doing it because I think = it=E2=80=99s good, I > actually think it=E2=80=99s pretty bad =E2=80=93 both in absolute terms a= nd in the > precedent for introducing =E2=80=98both=E2=80=99 options instead of a sin= gle opinionated > one. That move is designed to help ensure that we have SOME form of Scal= ar > Type Hints in PHP 7.0, which is clearly what the userbase at large wants. > We can revisit casting rules in the future without time pressure, and in > general, see how this new feature is accepted and used. > > > > Again, I call upon everybody to vote Yes for the Dual Mode RFC to ensure > that we have some form of STH in PHP 7.0. Unecessary for everybody, one or two change from no to yes will make it pas= s. :) thanks > > > > Zeev --=20 Xinchen Hui @Laruence http://www.laruence.com/