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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 22:34:32 +0800
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To: Pascal Chevrel <pascal.chevrel@free.fr>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] About declare(strict_types = 1)
From: laruence@php.net (Xinchen Hui)

Hey:

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Pascal Chevrel <pascal.chevrel@free.fr> wr=
ote:
> Le 16/03/2015 12:39, Xinchen Hui a =C3=A9crit :
>>
>> Hey:
>
>
>>
>> And last comment,  if there no such declare thing, I will definitely
>> vote yes to this RFC.
>
>
> Hi Xinchen,
>
> You can also not vote at all, that's a very valid option.
> By voting yes, you say that you want PHP developers to have access to STH=
 in
> PHP 7, by voting No, you say that you don't want PHP developers to be abl=
e
> to use STH in PHP 7. By not voting, you let the rest of the PHP community
> that cares about STH (both for and against) decide if the feature gets in
> the language. As a person with voting rights, you should study the RFCs i=
n
> details, understand them fully and vote on what you think you have
> understanding and expertise on. There is no obligation to vote on all RFC=
s.
>
> It seems that you won't use STH yourself so you will probably never use
> declare in your code and won't be impacted by the existence or not of the
> feature. I also don't like how the declare syntax looks, and similarily I
> personnally dislike even more how ugly the namespace syntax is in PHP wit=
h
> the backslashes (Foo\Bar\Baz), yet, I am happy that we do have the
> possibility to namespace our code, because PHP 5 *needed* that feature. A=
nd
> I think PHP 7 needs something like that, I also think it's a very clever
> solution as we can keep on using PHP as a weakly typed language as usual =
but
> also strenghten some of our code that needs strong typing.
>
>>
>> that's why I want vote no for this, and wait for Bob's  Basic STH.
>>
>> thanks
>
>
> It's too late, Bob's Basic STH missed the schedule for PHP 7, it was
> proposed way too late and the coercive STH RFC has just zero chance to pa=
ss,
> it's too much of a BC break for everybody. The dual mode STH is the only
> chance to have something for PHP 7 and remain competitive with HHVM,
> Node.js=E2=80=A6 that we see people switch to. Baidu switched to HHVM, Wi=
kipedia
> too, in my country big names switched from PHP to node.js and that was no=
t
> just for performance reasons, it was also for the features. Zeev himself
> admitted that we need something for PHP 7.
>
> Personnally, I think the dual mode is a very clever way to please all PHP
> developpers, those that want to use weak typing, those that want to use
> stronger typing and those like me that would continue to use weak typing
> because it's convenient but would be happy to use STH on very specific pa=
rts
> of his code that would benefit from it.
don't worry,  it will pass

thanks
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
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