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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 19:32:23 +0800
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] About declare(strict_types = 1)
From: laruence@php.net (Xinchen Hui)

Hey:

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Mar 2015, Xinchen Hui wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
>> >
>> > On Mar 16, 2015 4:29 PM, "Xinchen Hui" <laruence@php.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>      that means, I need to add a lots of (int) while I try to call a
>> >> function in a library which is not written by myself.
>> >>
>> >>      is that right?
>> >
>> > You got the answer but one thing bothers me a lot right now.
>> >
>> > How did you vote against this rfc while missing the core point of it (=
after
>> > actually having a strict mode)?
>
>> as I said,
>> "
>>  acutaly, I believe in most applications, they will still keep this off.=
.
>>
>>   so why we introduce such thing?
>> "
>> I don't like strict_types at all..
>
> To be frank, I don't think "I don't like this" is a terribly good reason
> to vote against (or for something). What is important is how many people
> would actually benefit from a feature, without it causing issues for
> others. I am certainly no fan of the "declare" *syntax*, but I do know,
> from talking at conferences that many many developers would like to see
> scalar type hints in some way =E2=80=94 both weak (mode 1 of the STHv5 RF=
C), and
I think they just want a weak type hintings(PHP is a weak type
language).. not strict types.

especially not a dual mode,  switch on/off by a declare line..

it looks so ugly to me..

> strict (mode 2). It even caters for people that don't want to use them
> at all, as they can simply not use them. I also know, that without a
> dual mode, it seems very unlikely for scalar type hints to make it
> into PHP 7, and I don't think that is what users want. As this is our
> *best* bet, I can only vote "yes".
I understand your choice,  but for me, as a six year PHP user. I can
see how strict types can benifit me..

the only usage I can image is,  turn on it in developer env to clean
types passing, and turn off in produce env for safety(in case I forget
to cast some types from $_GET $_POST).

which is definitlely can be done by a extension, or hook..

thanks
>
> cheers,
> Derick



--=20
Xinchen Hui
@Laruence
http://www.laruence.com/