Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:85006 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 23255 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2015 08:56:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Mar 2015 08:56:06 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ocramius@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ocramius@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.173 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ocramius@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.173 mail-we0-f173.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.173] ([74.125.82.173:35144] helo=mail-we0-f173.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C1/A3-00492-5AA96055 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 03:56:06 -0500 Received: by webcq43 with SMTP id cq43so32869996web.2 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 01:56:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=2cj7L0B+UC7wlHfnGMOfE1aRNeULoSqrvD9Y+QmnYX0=; b=O6D7r2pXpyq++B8PmLFbyFZwfgT5wsRTIxBuq6fqf62dR7v2nAmNvoviKUVPFQwJ0G JSO2CVSv2Y5xfOQ1GTb9yXLwHSjGqIMQLVoCCXd/pV3vdT9hdWr3TEpri8neHW6wJm1/ nBAG0M02o53x+aq0Xi9EAjHUln5pNM+xss/H+aCwPGjTezslCUoJv4w4g0W7+lUaTCXD /9+7dvBw3jzzdczGVQg/ooAZpbs1rkAE2h/7G318cZZjyQ2pGIscApWgnnUaP1wBpoJu /OywFcuiopbbcTNEkyQDg8EI3Idpx0lhx3/y5cWsqrrcI5TApA7jwkwsjF8rlsH+/SAn vyZg== X-Received: by 10.180.218.200 with SMTP id pi8mr46256514wic.71.1426496162252; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 01:56:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.101.2 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 01:55:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55068E88.3090401@lsces.co.uk> References: <55068E88.3090401@lsces.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 08:55:42 +0000 Message-ID: To: Lester Caine Cc: PHP Internals List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1135e4620650350511640579 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][VOTE] In Operator From: ocramius@gmail.com (Marco Pivetta) --001a1135e4620650350511640579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Lester, On 16 March 2015 at 08:04, Lester Caine wrote: > On 16/03/15 00:16, Marco Pivetta wrote: > > Syntactic sugar won't really make things easier when adopting the > language, > > and I don't like this sort of additional cognitive load either. > > > > In short, I stand firm on my "if you can implement it in userland, don't > > implement it in the language" idea. > > Some of this Syntactic sugar would in the past have been developed in > PEAR, but the support for 'userland' solutions via that path seems to > have lost favour, with even the suggestion that PEAR should be dropped? > Perhaps if PEAR contained examples of good practice in these areas it > would help. I'd even perhaps go as far as suggesting that some of the > more exotic developments in core would benefit from up to date demo's of > their use in PEAR? > PEAR surely isn't where you'd look for new code nowadays: it's a legacy repository. Marco Pivetta http://twitter.com/Ocramius http://ocramius.github.com/ --001a1135e4620650350511640579--