Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:84960 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 25173 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2015 00:29:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Mar 2015 00:29:23 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.192.50 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.192.50 mail-qg0-f50.google.com Received: from [209.85.192.50] ([209.85.192.50:34147] helo=mail-qg0-f50.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 2E/99-06614-1E326055 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 19:29:21 -0500 Received: by qgh62 with SMTP id 62so28172085qgh.1 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 17:29:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=69XxmTNb4U3gPP7ZmUkjA59UcS0Mz2QX5VnYIq6n4LQ=; b=rq9sTiKdIuaiwoMGb+7TVqlFFWBPRQXhgIPZFdkMfE8Wl1p6z1OVXUvcAlXRKdpa2X U8a9YjwJDjB/GWvD+4DWSa10OtRzEAhawABmWTNA9qzD+zkOK3Gj8EIfo/xtqlzN/sq/ 8fCw/kokmLmwtSy0LxDGP+jXgEwsFPYEQTFq/qY2IZH0cqJFBjeoRqLxe4FrzehIZEEW QluJsvWIUD6JnzEA8vKMrJ8ZhjDGrfzahapPzQGIxay7GQngaxKExpsOezzGvb+gbPsw HFXe4tJmQOpYf/ektELD1BqeBm/qtP9B+kUzpqxvx4Pa4Rdx+2/HH+MZoFRU5W+1M3mg G+lg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.51.107 with SMTP id t98mr69959921qga.63.1426465758756; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 17:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.39.195 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 17:29:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <550610DD.8060002@seld.be> References: <5505C875.1030202@gmail.com> <4938435E-F283-42A6-88AC-930881D97501@php.net> <470c025a9cf0cc61d2d17683800d1fbf@mail.gmail.com> <550610DD.8060002@seld.be> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:29:18 +1100 Message-ID: To: Jordi Boggiano Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Voting irregularities From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jordi Boggiano wrote: > On 15/03/2015 22:27, Derick Rethans wrote: >> >> On Sun, 15 Mar 2015, Zeev Suraski wrote: >> >>>> I don't think it's going to far, if you have people with no clue writing >>>> this: >>>> >>>> https://plus.google.com/+KristianK%C3%B6hntopp/posts/ijoDNH2M8mB >>> >>> >>> Do you know who Kristian is and how instrumental he was in the >>> proliferation of PHP? How can you bring yourself to say he has no >>> clue? >> >> >> I certainly know who he is. I've been around as nearly as long as you've >> been. Anybody who's only argument is "You're turning PHP into Java" and >> basically says "we need four more against votes" has no clue. I don't >> care who says it. > > > I agree that past good deeds and contributions should not be a free pass for > bad behavior. Not going to discuss the example at hand, but I think it's > dangerous to say "it's ok he did good in the past". I cannot agree more. I deeply respect Kristian, in all possible manners. However, I never call to vote for a given RFC but state what I think and let people make their own choice. Big names, all relative, have a social responsibility when it comes to ask people to vote for or against a given features. Big names backed by companies even more, even if something is done on a private manner. We have to be extremely careful on that. And "we" include myself. -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org