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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 09:34:18 +1100
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To: Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com>
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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Status] Scalar Type Declarations Voting Date Change
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

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On Mar 16, 2015 9:10 AM, "Pierre Joye" <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 16, 2015 8:58 AM, "Zeev Suraski" <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Anthony Ferrara [mailto:ircmaxell@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 11:34 PM
> > > To: internals@lists.php.net
> > > Subject: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Status] Scalar Type Declarations Voting Date
> > > Change
> > >
> > > However, it has become exceedingly clear to me that this good faith
has
> > > not
> > > been reciprocated. The understanding that we had when both proposals
> > > opened has now been violated. Rules have been broken and politics are
> > > ensuing in an attempt to sabotage this proposal. Rather than working
> > > together, "unofficial polls", backdoor politics and poor behavior have
> > > created yet more toxicity.
> >
> > Anthony,
> >
> > Stop accusing me of refusing to work together, backdoor politics and
poor
> > behavior:
>
> I do not talk for myself

Should have been: for Anthony or other :)

Not sure how autocorrect managed that :)

but this is what you have been done for too long. Since 7 started and with
the 64bit RFC. It has to stop. You did not respect your promises for the
5.7/7 timeline RFC, going wild alone while we were supposed to have one
covering all cases. I warned you about the dangers of your proposal,
especially the unrealistic short time for features freeze. You said we have
to be strict. And now? We have to be cool?
>
> Yes this is hard word but I have enough of that. We have created the RFC
process to avoid such situations, but it seems it is not enough.
>
> Now you have two choices. You go further down this road and open the
Pandora box by literally kicking out the rfc rules or you accept that your
proposal fails and let php move forward. I strongly suggest you the latter.
>
> In any case, i am not asking you to stop these political move, pressure
and other rather low moves, I tell you to stop them now. Unconditionally,
it went too far and it is now time to stop.
>
> > - Refusing to work together:  I tried to support numerous ways to
evaluate
> > Bob's RFC, all of which were opposed by you or other Dual STH
supporters,
> > for technicalities - valid or not.
> > - Backdoor politics:  None of that happening, which didn't stop you from
> > strongly implying there was with your unprecedented low email from
earlier
> > today, suggesting 'irregularities' that weren't there.
> > - Poor behavior:    "Sneaky", "Abuse", "Political".  Just 3 words that
come
> > to mind that you used against me or others in the last 3 weeks.
> >
> > Oh yeah, I'm guilty of the unofficial poll.  At least one person that
can't
> > be blamed to be a blind follower of mine thinks there's nothing wrong
with
> > it (twitter.com/SaraMG/status/577225234375417856)
> >
> > > Rather than drag this vote on end, and rather than be accused of
closing
> > > "when convenient", I am choosing to move up the ending day to put an
end
> > > to the drama.
> >
> > Talk about changing the rules mid-flight.
> >
> > Zeev
> >
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