Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:84939 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 81939 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2015 22:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Mar 2015 22:09:26 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.51 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.51 mail-pa0-f51.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.51] ([209.85.220.51:34923] helo=mail-pa0-f51.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 68/D1-06614-41306055 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 17:09:25 -0500 Received: by pabyw6 with SMTP id yw6so45138492pab.2 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:09:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=H8DC4VPjIXjMxoNfFJrQ0Sc7iPEHolZm8sv5AMwKVmE=; b=ge0yuQSx0VJQA3t9FVNi783y4ea17HwyFfRO0AMwOAejMj7Q+JyjslY1Es2oX+L/hp Ckm9sP31k+1UvyfzwDfARUq4bgb96CSVLoHMcoeDgQ3XJHAoTkSxyTu38Qq10FEBvp/k KZf0uDEkgTrmozgNVRkginosWsrEttrBhzKljUBu5vBkOVN1lNZHc6Rv/gxmdje4da2C G9hp20tjf+fti6ZXrFaW/YqO/cq23Zpj0tl4EBb79YDMcpUoZ4G3RmSBZ1rduJVIR5B3 nbrsU9DLfjw5MeAkxfbh1GwL/ewygdLCypnUu9txYVtrK98sEmYgXtjxYq39G6TbkpXF 24NA== X-Received: by 10.70.41.71 with SMTP id d7mr110567168pdl.44.1426457361957; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Stas-Air.local ([24.32.31.168]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ff10sm13869517pad.1.2015.03.15.15.09.20 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55060310.5010609@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:09:20 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?UMOhZHJhaWMgQnJhZHk=?= CC: "internals@lists.php.net" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Voting irregularities From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > theory" cries despite Anthony's statement above. As I've already > indicated, and being a Yes voter, I'm sort of dubious about even my > own voting rights, and votes of my nature have previously been called > out as a bad thing by people on both sides of the RFC. If you think you're not informed enough or not in position, or don't have opinion about something - it's ok not to vote, it's not mandatory :) Of course, now not voting is declared suspicious so who knows, but there's absolutely no shame in abstaining if one doesn't feel ready to take a position. Having the opportunity to vote, of course, is quite a different matter. On a more broad note, if people are really dissatisfied with voting, let's look for alternatives. But I personally would like to see a bit more of a positive program. I mean, ok, voting is not good as currently done. So who you think should be voting? Only engine committers? Only PHP source committers? Only Chosen People, chosen by TBD process? Or should we get rid of voting and do what instead? I am far from claiming current process is ideal, and I had my deal of frustrations by it. But so far I don't see anything that would be clearly better, both from process and from legitimacy side. Do you? -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com