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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 23:40:52 +0200
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To: Stelian Mocanita <stelianm@php.net>
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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Basic STH - status & unofficial poll
From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski)

Stelian,

Respectfully, I think internals@ is being just a bit too uptight here.
First, I did ask Bob before doing this, and while he said he thought it
wasn't a good idea (mostly because of feedback such as yours) - he didn't
'block' me.

Secondly, can we all relax a bit with the rules, RFCs, legalese and what's
allowed and not allowed to do?  It's a simple POLL.  I'm not abusing
anything, I'm not pretending it replaces the vote and I actually know
there'd be at least some people that won't vote in the same way that they
would in case Basic really comes up for a vote.  It's to gauge the waters,
nothing more, and nothing less.

Last, it's completely identical to me asking on the list how people would
vote in case Bob's RFC became available for a vote.  Except it's a lot
easier to track and much more likely to get a large number of responses.

Let's not make an elephant out of a mouse.  FWIW, so far I'm getting
excellent cooperation from the Strict campers on this unofficial poll :)

Zeev

> -----Original Message-----
> From: stelian.mocanita@gmail.com [mailto:stelian.mocanita@gmail.com]
> On Behalf Of Stelian Mocanita
> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 11:11 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: PHP internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Basic STH - status & unofficial poll
>
> Now you are just pushing the limits and doing things your way. Bob clearl=
y
> stated he does not want a vote and you want with an "unofficial poll"?
>
> You need to learn to let things go their course and not always push
> matters
> your way. I do not see how you can pull this move yet still be offended
> when
> people call you out on political moves.
>
> I hereby kindly ask you to retract this "unofficial poll" and let things
> go their
> way, whatever they might be.
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
>
>
> 	All,
>
>
>
> 	First, I decided not to propose Basic STH under my name, despite the
> fact I
> 	think that not committing to put it to a vote adds unneeded risk for
> 	delivering STH in PHP 7.0.  Whether or not it=E2=80=99s put to a vote wi=
ll be up
> to
> 	Bob.
>
>
>
> 	Secondly, I do want to attempt to understand what will happen if &
> when the
> 	Basic STH RFC goes to a vote at some later point in the future (which
> 	according to Bob, will happen if the Dual Mode RFC fails).  If I see
> that
> 	Basic STH is going to fail, I=E2=80=99ll change my vote to be in favor o=
f the
> Dual
> 	Mode STH RFC,  call upon everyone to do the same, and retract my
> Coercive
> 	mode RFC.
>
>
>
> 	This unofficial-non-RFC poll is here:
> wiki.php.net/notrfc/scalar_type_hints
>
>
>
> 	Thanks,
>
>
>
> 	Zeev
>
>