Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:84921 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 50609 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2015 21:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Mar 2015 21:23:29 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.44 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.44 mail-pa0-f44.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.44] ([209.85.220.44:35460] helo=mail-pa0-f44.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E2/1B-31306-E48F5055 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 16:23:28 -0500 Received: by pabyw6 with SMTP id yw6so44424933pab.2 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 14:23:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EmaL3mfegeJv2nfr6FD2sAlgCwC6DqMmXmHblv7W2Vo=; b=oqEQk/6qEAQbQaz10qsv3vtqttRJRg5BDPx0MRKy/mPbVa8EpbQJPOx58Zk6ax5m2T jWzbCfyTjP2JCMY1Xy3I42yn9p7Gc6DISytdkdtRKR49hIorFKieS48BoO7EWVF7E8YR drXxdXuZGZnmk7HOPK+3yxXTjQPJDqnm/PrSfgIpM6sK++3TQXGQoa4V+XP/41507Nrx wxK1B3slI6MBMi1zM/Mr6YeB/qjNcIt3AFIPD7Op7m9aSc9Dk7M1XjvtClQ0UctsvmT+ jzAZ8pyxFDlB4QGBf5l/Lxa3tehlmGcwykD8qtMykPcdZkuh84xoQWdhaz+VY1Z0JtvY 2ezA== X-Received: by 10.66.62.201 with SMTP id a9mr129570596pas.101.1426454603520; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 14:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Stas-Air.local ([24.32.31.168]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y2sm13740699pdm.31.2015.03.15.14.23.22 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 15 Mar 2015 14:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5505F849.5070300@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 14:23:21 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derick Rethans , Rowan Collins , internals@lists.php.net References: <5505C875.1030202@gmail.com> <4938435E-F283-42A6-88AC-930881D97501@php.net> In-Reply-To: <4938435E-F283-42A6-88AC-930881D97501@php.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Voting irregularities From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > Which post says that we're turning PHP into Java. And to this > misguided FUD post, that actively asks people to vote no, I can quite > easily attribute a few more no votes of people that had never voted > before... I have seen many messages on the list which I personally consider very wrong and/or misguided, and that called to vote yes. And I can, if I'd like to, attribute significant number of yes votes to it (of course, the true answer is I have no idea if it's so or not, but neither do you, right?). Does it mean those votes are invalid? Does it mean I can pick and choose yes votes I dislike and throw them out (I'd even include 1/4 of opposite votes just like it was done in topic-starting message, for fairness :) I don't think that would be a healthy process, do you? > Too late to tighten up the rules for this one, but something is > definitely not right with the current process. OK, what do you offer to improve it? Restrict who can vote? How? Allow votes only to people that are well-informed? How do you distinguish "well informed" from "agrees with me"? So far I don't think solution for this issue has been ever found, even when the stakes are much much higher than strict typing in PHP, but if you have a solution it would certainly be interesting to hear it. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com