Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:84917 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 46394 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2015 21:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Mar 2015 21:15:52 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=padraic.brady@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=padraic.brady@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.160.175 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: padraic.brady@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.160.175 mail-yk0-f175.google.com Received: from [209.85.160.175] ([209.85.160.175:33888] helo=mail-yk0-f175.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 66/3A-31306-786F5055 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 16:15:51 -0500 Received: by ykfc206 with SMTP id c206so4988005ykf.1 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 14:15:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PDHJb/Na/xzIDb5CQWdrG0VMmgkaQW0HgnUImKTqzRk=; b=hRp6u7JuLw8iIhlS5zRxz0pamAyGwcX9LgniFySiInqgkRdgK0W5DfI59oEECLSSbE eYLcM2rXjjsl5jS8ShrbH/MfPe+GTfIEeTZvYo3Z3A7LUSAf6ETtNwPAM6/Ke0CohC9k Po9KVk2i7PHnjb+45CyrcO7EEnYa2NlhKVPhP4E8an2fj4kPhMr70ocHFCGD1Q1ooaKG aqVtmoyvt6fYNQUcR7n+HuE+x5Ura6GLeIom1GinXF6XjNtSoXU4axrYOnplEXSbReYM qHRntQpdIXxUrA3pKlcnCqk5jkaMY9fW8nf9Xx8v8R4q4Tz9eHUhHimUpXNsRJAB2dKW aXeA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.54.196 with SMTP id 187mr23616332ykw.84.1426454148182; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 14:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.222.86 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 14:15:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 21:15:48 +0000 Message-ID: To: Anthony Ferrara Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Voting irregularities From: padraic.brady@gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?P=C3=A1draic_Brady?=) Hi, On 15 March 2015 at 14:19, Anthony Ferrara wrote: > I'm not saying that all of these are bad votes. Nor that they > shouldn't be counted. I think it does raise a significant question > around the voting practices. I think folk should be cautious about linking the proximity of a certain RFC to this topic. It appears to be leading to "conspiracy theory" cries despite Anthony's statement above. As I've already indicated, and being a Yes voter, I'm sort of dubious about even my own voting rights, and votes of my nature have previously been called out as a bad thing by people on both sides of the RFC. As such, there does appear to be a debate to be had. The timing may be unfortunate, given the sensitivity around the scalar type RFCs, but that doesn't remove the fact that the debate should be had if it's going to be dumped onto Twitter and other threads by other people who are not called Anthony ;). As to whether the quoted data suggests suspicious activities: no. The pool of voters is tiny and no trends or conclusions can be drawn, and the number of votes shows that the RFCs have attracted immense attention which would attract erstwhile non-voters which might easily warp the expected result of any vote simply by them exercising their vote unexpectedly. The concern around handing out votes too freely still exists, and I respect that. From the responses thus far, others have declined to exercise or restrict their votes so we do have "issues" to resolve in making it absolutely clear who may or may not vote without feeling some sense of guilt or inviting comment when the vote count reaches for the sky and those like me come out of the woodwork ;). Paddy -- P=C3=A1draic Brady http://blog.astrumfutura.com http://www.survivethedeepend.com