Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:84905 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 25183 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2015 20:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Mar 2015 20:36:06 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=danack@basereality.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=danack@basereality.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain basereality.com from 209.85.160.172 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: danack@basereality.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.160.172 mail-yk0-f172.google.com Received: from [209.85.160.172] ([209.85.160.172:35054] helo=mail-yk0-f172.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 55/D5-31306-43DE5055 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:36:04 -0500 Received: by ykfs63 with SMTP id s63so10984692ykf.2 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 13:36:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=tyGEFLz7ODM6/mHGqKwjuL04WrtzB8Xlv6Mj6T5fAZU=; b=hWyZhtc8rL2CrP/qp2z0qF4ynUeARZEbA5b/D0v+gEp6ITAAUtnN4IZyiQex1UoCr4 IJzQzrdhwSi07TCl7D7dO57uz/+LRvGOWD4SpCT+vnqhf+46ni2sBkIUQnyv42w3T+44 tsYczRvx757I0JghO/WhH/eu38syCcrhgJCIvqJxEjcRbTaHsJeRQelzm1VD7kMWPjTy bxtfh0BjOc7lLdZWpL+ymh/XAtFrEAws0gQDyRnIh/rjfe+AbmeRDFUKaxMI9sip4EvB VbYUQh9YhW3QsygANQY2GeKmHb1LvIhf6sXLdQ5Qkh+tjDGs7Et/xlah7tylQLwQk8aZ 2hqw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkO65Xc2/EFxvFu7VZKvXEvdRpA5bscmgpfvhXz9lIS1MhM1Vu56PthQSQay/fMV55BnMHZ MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.216.49 with SMTP id f47mr56927771yhp.158.1426451761184; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 13:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.71.86 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 13:36:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [78.147.4.32] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 20:36:01 +0000 Message-ID: To: Niklas Keller Cc: PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][VOTE] In Operator From: danack@basereality.com (Dan Ackroyd) Hi Niklas, To reiterate and explain my no vote: The RFC is still lacking one thing - any justification of why this deserves being a new piece of syntax, rather than just being a function implemented either internally, or even better in userland PHP. The equation is not just "will PHP be better with this" instead it's "will PHP so much better that it justifies the known cost of adding syntax to the language, as well as the unknown cost of blocking future use of the 'in' keyword". I'm sorry, but I just can't see that the value in adding this comes anywhere close to justifying it's addition. cheers Dan