Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:84899 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 15649 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2015 20:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Mar 2015 20:15:07 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=danack@basereality.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=danack@basereality.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain basereality.com from 209.85.213.43 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: danack@basereality.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.213.43 mail-yh0-f43.google.com Received: from [209.85.213.43] ([209.85.213.43:32912] helo=mail-yh0-f43.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 46/F3-31306-848E5055 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:15:05 -0500 Received: by yhpt93 with SMTP id t93so11265216yhp.0 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 13:14:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Mka2m0iLfPVfpP8XY4a9N5pxv7ePqFRNz8V4pREVt1A=; b=DY7dMW6OV2Phib2Ydb+7wvaqzlA5OotPgSEDL/kSoNAFtpYjxp4QhvrdwQT5kDw+aU AsIf/xdkB1iseI8dIgCmSDBv3xy3uZer83hyQMqiLVu2jeWK9kGbqj1aBexqKOIL2Cq3 NDIdnk31bFwU02HQk6r7TsFaDLCQo/2wI8f78AyyohNJ/xCUXvvshRU+DnuVA9YeN6u5 olfHGZdJgtXBsOQyw0IL55QxGrbdbh8uwdygffXL4qi/PP/PXQkjhj21uDuZpnTFMFyx gQVV8uCHE5gjXuSbtVp+m8Fu0qMDzDd9KB0EcaY8kTbM1BLRry7EKTHRL6G1j5Vl41RO hB/w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnj0CDNuOOpIijQmh0vCZwNUIY5ZHhXdKpYtQ8Zhi7scTOXvmGkssS7VqE4kftCZjhfndVh MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.0.193 with SMTP id 41mr59249729yhb.146.1426450499848; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 13:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.71.86 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 13:14:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [78.147.4.32] In-Reply-To: <756720a1f9593be0d7d04d005a28d06b@mail.gmail.com> References: <756720a1f9593be0d7d04d005a28d06b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 20:14:59 +0000 Message-ID: To: Zeev Suraski Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE][RFC] Coercive Scalar Type Hints From: danack@basereality.com (Dan Ackroyd) Hi Zeev, On 11 March 2015 at 18:48, Zeev Suraski wrote: > Rest assured that if I see that they both seem to be failing as we near the > end of the voting time, I'll retract the Coercive STH RFC - and I'll > actually vote in favor of the dual mode RFC, People sometimes tell me that they think the PHP-Internals list is a toxic environment. I usually defend it, saying that it's not that bad, with people just wanting their view to be considered. However right now it is toxic, with name calling, people being contacted off-list with abusive emails and disputes about the rules of the RFC process during an RFC vote. Zeev, you have the capability of ending this drama by carrying out the promise you made to support the scalar_type_hints_v5 RFC if the Coercive RFC isn't going to pass. It would be healthier for PHP if we didn't have another 10 days of toxicity. The scalar_type_hints_v5 is currently passing, and the Coercive STH RFC is very, very unlikely to pass. Please will you carry out your promise to retract the Coercive RFC and support the other RFC a few days early, so that we can move forward getting PHP 7 ready rather than having this continued toxicity? cheers Dan Ack