Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:84872 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 70443 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2015 18:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Mar 2015 18:59:53 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=padraic.brady@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=padraic.brady@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.213.46 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: padraic.brady@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.213.46 mail-yh0-f46.google.com Received: from [209.85.213.46] ([209.85.213.46:33091] helo=mail-yh0-f46.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E7/E9-29489-6A6D5055 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 13:59:50 -0500 Received: by yhpt93 with SMTP id t93so10952043yhp.0 for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 11:59:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JuSeiuqFI5xGpJsP+l/u7Bz+jyTteT2iK8RNnhe5INI=; b=kmBOm4SxQ8NUC1ZGHMNeEGSMjYyaQEpla3Q28CDukurrtLtKjYxhBzhfvILL0brutf asm6r2sM9JLmja1SXsjdo39qCpMTXppnQBsj1LDoXyG5za9JiuYsRVtoQnCX6uXVKEAb ByPP+MfXqzFgxhEZFcbKWsuq1Ubcbl9ehJn+hwds2ydCtkYSb22aBfnyhuLv6HEVwfUO f5g7YnaITSh2gAWZAsZ8Rgd1Nh4gkWErxBHnhF8uczcyeTDt174LblrkwlbZMLNyUR0V KLnd1NMmS71MuvHmqs+tBtGrbP92vsMAwLPvK6oR7deL08HjAqMszWsIOCKkLa5qYCyG H8Ew== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.4.72 with SMTP id 48mr58911407yhi.10.1426445987151; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 11:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.222.86 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 11:59:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 18:59:46 +0000 Message-ID: To: Zeev Suraski Cc: Bob Weinand , PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [INFO] Basic Scalar Types From: padraic.brady@gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?P=C3=A1draic_Brady?=) On 15 March 2015 at 16:55, Zeev Suraski wrote: > Bob, > > Thanks for the update. This time, though, although I completely respect > your decision not to put your RFC into a vote unless the Dual STH mode > fails, I'd like to either (with your permission) take over the RFC or > propose my own copy and move it to voting as soon as allowed. This, unde= r > a commitment that if I see that Basic STH is failing to garner a clear > majority, I'll retract it and move to support the Dual STH RFC instead fo= r > the sake of unity. No one individual has the right to break the existing rules around voting. There has been more than sufficient time to date to rewrite the voting rules, debate voting rights, extend PHP7's deadline, or propose the basic RFC so described. A vote in contravention of the voting rules at the last possible minute cannot, by definition, be recognised at this time. I wouldn't even vote since it might lend it an air of ill deserved legitimacy, forgetting for a moment whether a few PEAR contributions make me any more deserving of a vote than others. I recognise that the rules are inconvenient in the current situation when time is in short supply, but that is why we have rules to offset the temptation of doing things considered socially unacceptable. They were voted on, they were adopted, and they remain adopted. There is only one way in which they may be unadopted. Another RFC. Yes, PHP, this is a government bureaucracy at work ;). I'm not a lawyer, and I wouldn't appreciate the intended spirit of the rules. Unfortunately, we don't have judges or juries, so all we can do is abide by the letter of the rules as written, a contract all of us have with the PHP community. Is that a perfect approach? Hell, no. What is? It's just the only approach we can possibly follow on Sunday, March 15th. If this RFC enters into voting in any time period not allowed within the rules as they are written, I will obviously not recognise it as valid in any way. Paddy -- P=C3=A1draic Brady http://blog.astrumfutura.com http://www.survivethedeepend.com