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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Voting irregularities
From: ml@anderiasch.de (Florian Anderiasch)

On 15.03.2015 16:44, Pádraic Brady wrote:
> 
> I don't think it's ridiculous in a separate thread around discussing
> voting practices. Anthony specifically notes that he is not calling
> them bad, or calling for them to be ignored in the context of the
> current RFCs. Merely noting that their existence has skewed this
> particular vote, as a recent ongoing example, which it has. I have to
> make an admission here, I cast a vote. I'm not on Anthony's list
> because I have used it previously a couple of times. I'm honestly a
> bit hesitant to believe I should have it, so I've deliberately
> moderated my voting. However, watching those with no prior voting
> history/or minimal history vote No compelled me to use it if only to
> offset one more arguably irregular vote by casting an opposing
> arguably irregular vote.

Maybe many people don't see it that way, but for example for me there's
hardly been any RFC that would shape the *spirit* of the language as
much as this RFC. So I think that's a perfectly valid reason to - for
the first time ever - pitch in with your vote, even if it's not the case
for me personally.

> The entire idea that such arguably irregular votes are spoiling RFC
> votes, i.e. not reflective of what the majority would consider votes
> by those who truly earned it, has been brought up by both sides to
> RFCs inside and outside of this list.

I don't think it's possible to create a system that

a) represents the majority of PHP users
b) represents the most active contributors to internals
c) can't be gamed in any way.

We have this system now and until a RFC comes along to change voting
rights or revert to the old "do what you want until someone calls you
out on it" there's hardly some constructive discussion about it in all
the threads where it came up.

Greetings,
Florian