Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:84774 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 41644 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2015 12:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Mar 2015 12:10:20 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=derick@php.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=derick@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 82.113.146.227 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: derick@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 82.113.146.227 xdebug.org Linux 2.6 Received: from [82.113.146.227] ([82.113.146.227:52259] helo=xdebug.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 47/12-29409-92524055 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 07:10:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by xdebug.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78EC2E202F; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 12:10:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 12:10:14 +0000 (GMT) X-X-Sender: derick@whisky.home.derickrethans.nl To: Arvids Godjuks cc: Philip Sturgeon , =?UTF-8?Q?Pavel_Kou=C5=99il?= , Anthony Ferrara , "internals@lists.php.net" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (DEB 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] A plea for unity on scalar types From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) On Fri, 13 Mar 2015, Arvids Godjuks wrote: > At this point I have only swearing words for the proposing persons and > supporters. Certainly *that* is going to help? > It's magic_quotes and register_globals all over again, but this time > you can't fix it with some PHP code. It is not even close to equivalent. As those options are php.ini settings. There is nothing, absolutely *nothing*, that will change if you, as an author of a PHP file, does not use typehints in that file. If a dev turns a file that he or she wrote into strict mode, then that only counts for that specific file. If you take over some code, then you can remove the declare line. *none* of those things you'd be able to do with ini settings. So don't shout out that nonsense FUD. > You really had to fuck it all up for us, the userland developers, > didn't you? > > Sorry, but I now question the wisdom and sanity of most new PHP folks. > Because the old once see the danger and vote "no". And everyone just thinks > they act up. Well, you wrong. I will nit be surprised if they just leave > the project for good after this. Yes, because of people like you swearing at them. cheers, Derick