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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 15:22:49 -0300
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To: Dan Ackroyd <danack@basereality.com>
Cc: Anthony Ferrara <ircmaxell@gmail.com>, Patrick ALLAERT <patrickallaert@php.net>, 
	Yasuo Ohgaki <yohgaki@ohgaki.net>, PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Voting choice for language changes (Was: "Re:
 [PHP-DEV][RFC][DISCUSSION] Strict Argument Count")
From: marcio.web2@gmail.com (Marcio Almada)

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Hi,

2015-03-10 12:45 GMT-03:00 Dan Ackroyd <danack@basereality.com>:

> On 10 March 2015 at 15:02, Anthony Ferrara <ircmaxell@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Can we please come down to a single RFC, with a single vote yes/no?
> > It's easier to understand, easier to manage and has less possibility
> > of gaming.
>
>
> While I generally agree, in the case where there is a small detail
> that needs to be addresses by a vote, I think having two votes in one
> RFC is better than having two almost identical RFCs.
>
> However the question that is being voted on needs to be setup properly
> so that it does not prevent people from being able to vote on both
> issues.
>
> For example the group use RFC
> (https://wiki.php.net/rfc/group_use_declarations) has a small detail
> of whether there should be a trailing slash in the syntax, which did
> not deserve a separate RFC imo.
>
> Unfortunately, the vote options were:
> - Yes - with a trailing "\"
> - Yes - without a trailing "\"
> - No
>
> This meant it was impossible for people who wanted to vote no to the
> general idea, to say what was their preferred choice of syntax. The
> questions and voting choices should have been:
>
>  "Should Grouped Use Declarations be added to PHP 7"
> - Yes
> - No
>
> "If added, should the syntax be with trailing "\" or without."
> - With a trailing "\"
> - Without a trailing "\"
>
> This would have allowed all voters to express their intent for both
> parts of the question, without being forced to vote 'yes' if they want
> a say in the exact syntax used.
>
> cheers
> Dan
> Ack
>

That's so true. The Group Use... was my first RFC and I have to admit this
voting setup was poor decision taking on my part, sorry.

Later some people even confessed that they didn't vote "yes" because they
haven't noticed it was necessary when in reality they just couldn't realize
they should sum the "yes" votes to know if the RFC was passing or not.

I'll avoid to setup a vote like this again and will always prefer the
multiple questions approach in situations where options are inevitable.

Thanks,
M=C3=A1rcio

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